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while people today is gonna be an

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interesting show we're going to be

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talking to an alleged MKULTRA victim

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survivor and whistleblower goes by the

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name of Alisa whom I was introduced to

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by my main man Ron Patton of paranoia

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magazine so I thought it would be highly

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appropriate to bring him down to the pad

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for a little drink and a little smoke

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and a little investigation in the deep

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dark world of trauma-based mind control

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Ron how's it going man it's going pretty

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well thank you yeah I just want to let

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you know that I met Alisa October 2009

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in Ogden Utah at the Child Advocacy

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symposium on mind control and ritual

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abuse and actually there are a couple of

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survivors of the that horrific mind

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control program MKULTRA it was her and

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Peter Kerr chef there and also there was

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dr. chu OTT who's from Ogden he's a

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whistleblower on satanic ritual abuse in

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the Mormon Church and then there were a

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few other people that I felt were

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questionable but they were there anyway

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that was Ted Gunderson who's a former

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FBI bureau chief and Senator John Dee

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camp who wrote the book the Franklin

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cover-up and a few other people but

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that's where I initially met her and she

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boy what she has to say is you're not

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gonna really find it out there you know

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too much on the internet or in the media

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per se but what she really delves into

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is sort of the hybrid cloning

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programming that she's believes that has

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gone on for thousands of years a lot of

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people dance around that but you have

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I've never heard of someone who says

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they were you know involved in that and

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a personal level so that's pretty sick I

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see you got a new fall

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issue of paranoia magazine dropping very

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soon JFK and UFOs being a main story in

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that issue you also the story on

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Hollywood mind control which seems

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appropriate to talk about today what

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piece is that who wrote that one it's an

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article called release the Stars

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Babylonian mind control in the

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entertainment industry and that's by a

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Jamie Henshaw who's the girlfriend of

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they put out a publication called weird

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stuff but she's been investigating that

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area of mind control in the

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entertainment industry and in Hollywood

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for a number of years and so she sort of

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gets into the the music videos and

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certain individuals that were connected

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with the Disney Corporation and you find

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some very interesting connections and

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correlations that are very dark and

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demented it may seem theoretical to a

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lot of people but when you start putting

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the pieces of the puzzle together it

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makes a lot of sense how Hollywood or

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the entertainment industry is used as a

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means to control the masses you know in

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a subliminal way yeah I've heard I'll

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Freeman talked about just even the term

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Hollywood you know Holly used to be is

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what they use to make Wizards wand and

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basically you know Hollywood is just

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casting one big blanket spell over the

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country well man it's about that time I

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think Elyse is probably waiting for us

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we're a little late to this party so I'm

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gonna play this conspiracies ad for

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everyone's favorite conspiracy themed

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clothing company we've heard it a

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thousand times maybe one more will do

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the trick for you and then we'll be

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we're here because we don't buy into the

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[\h__\h] of mainstream culture we're

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tired of the mundane passionless careers

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we've been shuffled into as a result of

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this orchestrated death based system of

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rule and the stranglehold on education

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entertainment by cold soulless

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corporations people yes we are

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frustrated yes we are tired and we

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reject the pre-approved tranquilizers

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that are Monday Night Football and a

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nice cold Budweiser we have to stop

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hiding stop hiding behind the headphones

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in the cherry popper 4/20 username let

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the world see that the resistance is

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strong and society is changing it was a

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time to be anonymous but that time has

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passed and so the higher side chats

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would like to present conspiracies as

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the dawning of this new paradigm

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the revolution because both fashion

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should be more than summons celebrity

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lead dresser for Atlanta sleeping

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problem

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conspiracies redefines bold fashion as

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having two balls to reject socially

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uncomfortable and unpopular truth from

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their radiant chests all bugging today

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it's apparent ease dotnet let him know

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let you them bold designs for trouble

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welcome back people most of us have

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heard the stories of secret CIA mind

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control programs like MKULTRA and

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underground networks of systemic trauma

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both sexual and psychological to program

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people from a young age for various

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purposes everything from being the new

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pop culture cash cow for the Hollywood

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elite to programming triggers deep into

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the subconscious to create patsies or

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puppets for mass public shootings and

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targeted assassinations well folks today

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we have a woman known as elisa who

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claims to have been a very real victim

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of such programming and abuse she's

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written about the programming her

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experiences and her deeper thoughts and

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how far these missions go in her two

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books our life beyond MKULTRA volumes 1

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& 2 Alisa I am so psyched you're here we

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got plenty of time I think it's really

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important to give you a minute so you

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could tell the people your personal

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backstory I mean obviously it's been

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very traumatic but I know a lot of the

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listeners really want to understand the

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details of what happens to the victims

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of these types of programs and you're

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really in a unique position to give

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those details so if you wouldn't mind

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please walk us through this timeline of

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manipulation sure Greg thank you again

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for giving me and us the opportunity to

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come on and I may just to start I may

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just mention that I usually speak in the

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eye now but sometimes I say we so if I

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go back and forth on referring to me and

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my alter personalities I was born in

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1962 and the reason I like to throw the

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year out is because with programming

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there are kind of like stands of years

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that will help determine where the

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technology was for certain groups of

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people you know if you were born in the

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50s it may have looked somewhat like

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this search you're born in the 60s and

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70s and so forth and with each decade or

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even I think shorter spans of time now

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the methods and the technology that

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they're using does change what I went

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through is very much upgraded these days

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it's a whole different ballgame the

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technology allows that

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and what some of the people went through

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in the years prior to my programming

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they also went through slightly

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different but as you probably already

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know there's there's some baselines that

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go kind of across all of them there are

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certain things that are common based

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programming for a lot of us a lot of the

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themes and so forth of course change

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over the years I was born in New Jersey

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memories or I should say my first abuse

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memories are actually pre verbal and I'm

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going back and forth between not being

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able to breathe and then being able to

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breathe and crying and so forth and I do

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dissociate I we can relive some of my

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memories and have over the years and

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particularly since 2008 I don't want to

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get ahead of myself but Jeremy I stayed

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under usin programming despite being

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aware that something was going on and

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even trying to get from help I spent

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most of my life there until I was 46 my

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memories were had been breaking prune

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for decades but there was really nowhere

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to go mental health community I kind of

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got passed off and medicated in

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reprograms which is really just a

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reinforcement for most existing programs

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plus they can add enhancements and was

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continued to be used until 46 when I met

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a couple of men in Salt Lake City it was

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at great risk that I wanted to meet them

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which is a story in and of itself I

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won't go into but I knew I was going to

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die soon and it felt imminent and I even

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had the understanding that it may be me

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did it and that did turn out I do have a

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couple of at least two suicide programs

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and I met them and it was the first time

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in my life that I just said you know

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you're probably not to tell me I'm crazy

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but I spent like two days telling them

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everything I said don't tell me anything

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when we just tell you what what's there

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and at the end of it

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this human looked at me and said not

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only do we believe you we work with

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other people like you and that was the

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floodgates open Wow it was the first

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time that I was safe and all basically

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almost all of my alters that were

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willing to came forward and started

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telling all their stories and the memory

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started flooding into to my conscious

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mind me being one of what I call the

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frontline people who was to present to

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the world look like a very normal very

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high-functioning I've always been very

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high-functioning very intelligence and

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yet I that mean what I call the main

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front alter never knew about the others

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and there's a group of us up front that

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took care of whatever needs we had and

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basically the idea was to prevent me

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from that but really realizing what was

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inside no matter what showed up and and

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that was still in April of 2008 that all

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changed and it was it was the safety

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factor it was that it was that I'd met

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people who knew and I would say it's the

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first time ever or so I thought but the

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programming has its own pitfalls it's

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like kind of like a minefield but there

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were people who said we'll help you

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so ELISA yeah this is Ron

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you know I first met you back in 2009

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you know in Ogden Utah and you would

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mention that you read my article project

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monarch Nazi mind control and that kind

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of resonated with you in a lot of ways

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and so the type of programming that you

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went through and everybody's program

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differently depending upon you know what

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their abilities are would you say that

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you were heavily programmed with you

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know what they refer to as beta and

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Delta programming yes my um apparently I

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don't know when this was determined or

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if it was by design right from the start

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and I will just interject here real

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quickly this is really hard for

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understand what's really going on at

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this time and even back in the 60s in

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these ultra black projects but I believe

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there was intervention right from the

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get-go even in my even preconception

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preconception can you kind of get the

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details of that sure what I mean by

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preconception is that it was with me and

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I'm apparently not even remotely the

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only one that's happened to but their

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interference in designing us right from

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the get-go I believe at that time I call

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it preconception meaning genetically

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things were altered things were put in

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place enhanced but I believe now I

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should say more than belief I know now

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nowadays they can do it post conception

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they can do it after birth so you think

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you were born with this mission with the

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this program in mind I'm not sure

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exactly how much that specifics wise was

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in mine but I'm certain that I was plant

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in my births the whole bit was planned

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Wow and for people for people who might

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not be you know who this might be a

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little bit foreign to them you know

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we're talking about fragmented

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personalities alters how does this

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programming start like what are the

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details of what actually goes on because

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we hear I hear about it in broad strokes

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quite often but like you know what what

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really it happened here what are some of

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your earliest memories of this kind of

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manipulation well kind of like what I'll

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go back to first what Ron asked about

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data and belton and I learned about

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those words afterwards I have memories

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of a delta triangle which is an

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equilateral sided triangle and and I

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didn't know those words I didn't know

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beta and Delta what I discovered after

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revealing my memories was that I had

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those types of programming and my main

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use is just to start were sexual uses

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and kill programming

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and often they were more often than not

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were used together using the sexual

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programming to gain access and then the

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the kill altars would surface in

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whatever way was deemed necessary at the

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time and in the particular case sooner

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is yeah well so that means you would

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seduce a target get him alone and then

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carry out a kill program well yes and no

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sometimes it appears from my memory my

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particular alter memories that not only

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I wasn't necessarily sent in to seduce

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the it was pre-planned the even the

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target knew that I was you know going to

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perform sexually for him and in some

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cases what I came to realize and you

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have to understand when I think flooding

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of memory it doesn't do it justice um as

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a matter of fact in my opinion from what

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I've seen in my deep programming the

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flooding leads also intended to

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overwhelm the victim and often a lot of

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people don't survive that process either

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mentally or physically

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and when I say flooding it's many alters

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bring many pieces forward some of them

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bringing you know numerous stories

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forwards and what did what I after a

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period of time I began to see that there

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were very specific things over and over

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for certain alters very particular

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alters behaved in certain ways and had

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certain programming and were used by you

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know certain people for very particular

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things and one of the things I saw was

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that one of our main uses at least was

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two altars to my chill altars was to

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actually take out members of the network

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and so I think they knew I was there it

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appears they were waiting for me for the

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sexual use but they didn't know that I

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had kill programming so it seems more

349
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like a situation where I'm to get a

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context a broader context for this

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what's going on behind the scenes

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you know you do see a lot of politicians

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getting

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in prostitution scandals or you know

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these child sex abuse rings like Jerry

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Sandusky ring that apparently was

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leasing kids to high-profile clients is

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this kind of the situation that you were

359
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in and then you also just had these

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triggers that would you know because

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obviously you got you're attracting

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high-profile clients which could also be

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those same targets for these people so

364
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then they switched they like flip the

365
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switch and it went into a kill program

366
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exactly and of course in in almost every

367
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case just one case I'm not really

368
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certain about but in every case that

369
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I've been shown I should say it was a

370
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case of the programming was in place

371
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prior to my even going out engaging with

372
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these individuals but within the network

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slaves are used extensively and it

374
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doesn't matter they're using very small

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children all the way up to you know

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whatever age I mean generally there's a

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just like in in what I call the world a

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man which is the world everybody else

379
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lives in you know there's a certain age

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where you know you move back to the

381
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younger people you hit women hit a

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certain age and they're not considered

383
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as attractive anymore so but within that

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from childhood off I mean the heaviest

385
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use of sex slaves in that regard is with

386
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him in networks yes so it's easy to to

387
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set someone up to take a fall of faith

388
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you know there's a variety of reasons um

389
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they can begun to show signs that they

390
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don't want to do what they're doing

391
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anymore or or they they're getting ready

392
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you know they get older and they're

393
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getting ready to talk about something or

394
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write a book or they've said something

395
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they shouldn't do or they're just pissed

396
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somebody off and you know then their

397
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usefulness is no more and it can be used

398
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in a couple of ways a lot of times

399
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there's more of it going on that people

400
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don't even see when it becomes a public

401
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issue most of the time it's not a public

402
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issue when it becomes a public issue

403
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it's very clearly meant to send a

404
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message to the rest of the people in the

405
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network stay in line people will come

406
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for you too

407
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man see that's what I think is

408
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interesting because you know I've tried

409
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to think about these type of stories and

410
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you know see if it makes sense a part of

411
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me is like well why wouldn't you just

412
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get a highly trained assassin and just

413
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shoot someone but when you think about

414
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the the security involved and the

415
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secrecy involved in a situation where

416
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you would be a high level person in the

417
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aluminized Network and you're you know

418
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having sex with children the type of

419
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security in that environment

420
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would also be very conducive to getting

421
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rid of that person you know if they were

422
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showing signs of wanting to do something

423
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different or if they had talked too much

424
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or something like that because they're

425
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gonna feel extremely comfortable like

426
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that's not something that goes on in

427
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everyday life so you have to create a

428
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safe room for that type of environment

429
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so that very same safe room is also

430
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convenient too to trigger someone into

431
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into killing that person off and then

432
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being able to do it in secrecy so that

433
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does make sense to me yeah and that's

434
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that's really exactly I mean really on

435
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for most people when they're first or

436
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first few times you know they engage in

437
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the scenarios you're talking about there

438
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is you know films are made and so forth

439
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as insurance later and and a lot of

440
00:20:01,930 --> 00:19:59,740
these people wind up in the network

441
00:20:04,539 --> 00:20:01,940
basically being blackmail but you have

442
00:20:06,820 --> 00:20:04,549
to remember that doesn't condone and

443
00:20:09,370 --> 00:20:06,830
make them solely a victim they become

444
00:20:11,620 --> 00:20:09,380
you know every every perpetrator is a

445
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victim first seriously and that's really

446
00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:13,970
hard for people to get wrapped around

447
00:20:18,669 --> 00:20:16,730
but you have to victimize someone for

448
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them to do the things that that the

449
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perpetrators do and I know that from

450
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person hand experience my victimization

451
00:20:29,669 --> 00:20:26,570
is very real but it's a very thing that

452
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made me a perpetrator working for them

453
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that makes sense yeah you know I've been

454
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curious I don't know how come to you are

455
00:20:41,620 --> 00:20:38,809
discussing your experiences as a child

456
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but are these these situations I mean

457
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obviously there's pretty typical sexual

458
00:20:49,270 --> 00:20:46,460
abuse but I've heard stories that they

459
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are more ritualistic more there's more

460
00:20:53,919 --> 00:20:51,500
occult aspects to them they aren't just

461
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straight what you'd expect have you

462
00:20:58,749 --> 00:20:55,640
experienced any weirdness that you could

463
00:21:01,180 --> 00:20:58,759
share with us oh yeah

464
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you know it's really I don't mind

465
00:21:05,439 --> 00:21:03,259
talking about it and a lot of it I'll

466
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just say is in both books 1 & 2

467
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basically I set up the books as a as

468
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much of the chronology as I could you

469
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have to understand one of the things

470
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that happened for me was my sense of

471
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time it's almost non-existent linear

472
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time and so it took a lot of energy to

473
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try to you know as memories came forward

474
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to begin to piece them into some

475
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chronology and just so you know I set up

476
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book 1 to basically be a cross-section

477
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of the early years on through my use

478
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years and that's to kind of qualify me

479
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so that people understand you know

480
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there's a reason to listen to what I

481
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have to say in book 2 and then in book 2

482
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I kind of there's some more stuff by the

483
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time I finished book 2 there was more

484
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information which I kind of have an

485
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update section in the beginning so I'm

486
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updating on some of the stuff that was

487
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in book 1 in with greater understanding

488
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and then I get into how I began to wake

489
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up how I got help what I do now what I

490
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consider to be deprogramming so that

491
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kind of gives you a view that's why

492
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there's two books in early on what I

493
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have even let's see I'm now was it five

494
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years in that is my time is my math

495
00:22:27,099 --> 00:22:24,949
right yeah it's just over five years

496
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into what I call deep deep programming

497
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and that began the day that I met this

498
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human what has come forward is literally

499
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hundreds of fragments maybe yeah I would

500
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say hundreds from various alters I'm

501
00:22:45,279 --> 00:22:41,779
still uncertain how many alters I have

502
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but it numbers really high and I'll just

503
00:22:48,579 --> 00:22:46,699
kind of start here and then we'll go

504
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:48,589
into what you're asking about her or

505
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having they were created over a period

506
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of time you know many years but and

507
00:23:00,009 --> 00:22:57,019
they're here's the thing to understand

508
00:23:02,139 --> 00:23:00,019
even in once you're in your your use

509
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years heavy what I call the heavy use

510
00:23:07,869 --> 00:23:04,279
years you're still actually creating

511
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:07,879
alters because of what you're doing so

512
00:23:12,190 --> 00:23:10,129
they're not necessarily being programmed

513
00:23:15,100 --> 00:23:12,200
but your mind is still fragmenting

514
00:23:17,950 --> 00:23:15,110
so this helps people the average person

515
00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:17,960
understand how some people can claim so

516
00:23:23,379 --> 00:23:20,809
many alters and what we're talking about

517
00:23:25,690 --> 00:23:23,389
- when working on altars is there's full

518
00:23:30,279 --> 00:23:25,700
personalities and there's what I call

519
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fragment personalities and I've met many

520
00:23:37,330 --> 00:23:34,700
of both for me more fragments den full

521
00:23:39,370 --> 00:23:37,340
personalities and the difference is that

522
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a full personality if I is that

523
00:23:41,710 --> 00:23:41,059
personality which they don't do this

524
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anymore

525
00:23:48,029 --> 00:23:44,330
no altars to my awareness take over my

526
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body fully or my mind's eye coexist with

527
00:23:56,289 --> 00:23:51,380
various parts of me there's always more

528
00:23:59,649 --> 00:23:56,299
than one of us presents and nowadays and

529
00:24:01,899 --> 00:23:59,659
the full personalities back then during

530
00:24:03,820 --> 00:24:01,909
the bad years if a full personality took

531
00:24:06,250 --> 00:24:03,830
over they could actually that alter

532
00:24:08,379 --> 00:24:06,260
could actually interact in the world at

533
00:24:09,909 --> 00:24:08,389
large around them you would you know you

534
00:24:11,620 --> 00:24:09,919
would notice that there was something

535
00:24:13,810 --> 00:24:11,630
different about me but I could still

536
00:24:16,919 --> 00:24:13,820
function very well and do what I needed

537
00:24:20,049 --> 00:24:16,929
to do fragments aren't always that way

538
00:24:22,060 --> 00:24:20,059
sometimes many many of the child altars

539
00:24:24,820 --> 00:24:22,070
are fragments and when they come up they

540
00:24:27,610 --> 00:24:24,830
have no consciousness of the world

541
00:24:29,529 --> 00:24:27,620
around them they don't understand life

542
00:24:31,330 --> 00:24:29,539
they don't understand where they live or

543
00:24:35,169 --> 00:24:31,340
don't live they have just a very

544
00:24:37,629 --> 00:24:35,179
fragment view of their world and

545
00:24:39,610 --> 00:24:37,639
unfortunately with the child altars it's

546
00:24:44,110 --> 00:24:39,620
just always really hard for the theater

547
00:24:46,210 --> 00:24:44,120
very sexual or painful and then there's

548
00:24:48,159 --> 00:24:46,220
adult altars that are also used for

549
00:24:51,210 --> 00:24:48,169
ritual purposes like you're talking

550
00:24:54,970 --> 00:24:51,220
about I mean I believe I have

551
00:24:57,250 --> 00:24:54,980
encountered to some degree two of those

552
00:24:59,680 --> 00:24:57,260
some of them to a frightening degree in

553
00:25:01,720 --> 00:24:59,690
my TIGI program were I was still

554
00:25:05,799 --> 00:25:01,730
conscious and they did take over my body

555
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:05,809
my vocal cords everything and I had a

556
00:25:12,129 --> 00:25:08,450
really hard time pulling it out getting

557
00:25:14,409 --> 00:25:12,139
back to you know right mind as a child

558
00:25:16,659 --> 00:25:14,419
most of its really fragmented their

559
00:25:18,820 --> 00:25:16,669
partial memories there was a lot of

560
00:25:22,690 --> 00:25:18,830
sexual abuse and incest

561
00:25:25,779 --> 00:25:22,700
my father he was a multiple himself and

562
00:25:29,109 --> 00:25:25,789
I don't know how an

563
00:25:30,639 --> 00:25:29,119
he became involved you know I don't know

564
00:25:34,719 --> 00:25:30,649
the particulars of that he has passed

565
00:25:36,039 --> 00:25:34,729
some years ago but I have a memory I

566
00:25:38,259 --> 00:25:36,049
don't know who is doing this like I

567
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:38,269
started to say earlier of being infant

568
00:25:43,930 --> 00:25:41,690
being pre verbal and screaming crying

569
00:25:46,269 --> 00:25:43,940
and then my mouth has stretched wide

570
00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:46,279
open but I can't breathe I can't scream

571
00:25:51,310 --> 00:25:48,769
I can't make any sound like I can't take

572
00:25:54,399 --> 00:25:51,320
breath in and then it goes back and

573
00:25:58,509 --> 00:25:54,409
forth between my my screaming crying and

574
00:26:00,909 --> 00:25:58,519
I'm relived this in recent years I mean

575
00:26:02,889 --> 00:26:00,919
in a full adult body I was laying on my

576
00:26:04,690 --> 00:26:02,899
back in my bed and I think the way he

577
00:26:07,779 --> 00:26:04,700
looked at me I was moving like an infant

578
00:26:10,239 --> 00:26:07,789
and I was Co conscious while this was

579
00:26:14,669 --> 00:26:10,249
being shown to me by this young child

580
00:26:17,859 --> 00:26:14,679
and I dissociated in there in the memory

581
00:26:20,409 --> 00:26:17,869
just completely shut off you know just

582
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:20,419
staring and feeling nothing and

583
00:26:26,769 --> 00:26:23,090
empty inside kind of hard to explain it

584
00:26:30,039 --> 00:26:26,779
but it's like you just lose connection

585
00:26:32,830 --> 00:26:30,049
to everything around you and then my

586
00:26:34,839 --> 00:26:32,840
next memory is at three years old and

587
00:26:38,979 --> 00:26:34,849
this was very significant I was in New

588
00:26:42,249 --> 00:26:38,989
Jersey she's like 165 and it's not like

589
00:26:45,249 --> 00:26:42,259
I'm waking up it's like when when my

590
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:45,259
alters showed me memories the memory

591
00:26:50,109 --> 00:26:47,210
would start wherever their consciousness

592
00:26:52,419 --> 00:26:50,119
took over so you could already be well

593
00:26:55,479 --> 00:26:52,429
into whatever was going on it's when

594
00:26:58,330 --> 00:26:55,489
they wake up and when they leave it ends

595
00:27:01,119 --> 00:26:58,340
so I may have a scenario where I'm in a

596
00:27:03,369 --> 00:27:01,129
ritual but I only have a piece of the

597
00:27:06,159 --> 00:27:03,379
ritual because there's only one altar

598
00:27:08,409 --> 00:27:06,169
who showed me they're part of it so the

599
00:27:10,930 --> 00:27:08,419
rest of it is not shown to me does that

600
00:27:13,749 --> 00:27:10,940
make sense it's like coming in I know

601
00:27:15,849 --> 00:27:13,759
injecting chapter 5 of the book and not

602
00:27:17,289 --> 00:27:15,859
getting the rest of the chapters and it

603
00:27:19,089 --> 00:27:17,299
took a long time to realize what was

604
00:27:21,159 --> 00:27:19,099
happening and so that I could begin to

605
00:27:23,710 --> 00:27:21,169
piece things together and then maybe

606
00:27:25,659 --> 00:27:23,720
months later another altar would show

607
00:27:27,489 --> 00:27:25,669
another part of that incident or another

608
00:27:29,259 --> 00:27:27,499
one and sometimes I figure out this you

609
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:29,269
know eight months later now I've got

610
00:27:35,409 --> 00:27:31,210
another piece at that one particular

611
00:27:38,830 --> 00:27:35,419
episode and at three I become aware that

612
00:27:39,490 --> 00:27:38,840
I'm in very dissociated these most of

613
00:27:42,850 --> 00:27:39,500
the times

614
00:27:45,970 --> 00:27:42,860
I become aware I'm very unemotional you

615
00:27:48,610 --> 00:27:45,980
know just kind of existing and I'm in a

616
00:27:50,260 --> 00:27:48,620
warehouse very large I call it a

617
00:27:53,020 --> 00:27:50,270
warehouse it looks like a warehouse I

618
00:27:59,050 --> 00:27:53,030
don't know what it was but it was huge

619
00:28:00,100 --> 00:27:59,060
and I'm looking down at about a 40 45

620
00:28:06,130 --> 00:28:00,110
degree angle

621
00:28:08,650 --> 00:28:06,140
there's a man below me and he's kind of

622
00:28:10,810 --> 00:28:08,660
hard to describe because I'm working

623
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:10,820
from their consciousness we know the

624
00:28:15,070 --> 00:28:12,890
alters consciousness but he's a little

625
00:28:17,140 --> 00:28:15,080
bit below us and there's he's been

626
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:17,150
beaten badly he's in what I call maybe

627
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:20,290
denims they were actually maybe issue

628
00:28:25,330 --> 00:28:23,090
and there's blood all over them and

629
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:25,340
there's something screwed into his head

630
00:28:32,410 --> 00:28:28,250
the side of his left side of his head

631
00:28:36,010 --> 00:28:32,420
and there's a chain attached to it and I

632
00:28:38,140 --> 00:28:36,020
still can hear the chain on this it's

633
00:28:40,900 --> 00:28:38,150
like a twin bed with snow sheets on it

634
00:28:43,090 --> 00:28:40,910
and pulled the metal frame I could still

635
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:43,100
see the mattress and as he moved this

636
00:28:47,170 --> 00:28:44,810
change is kind of looked along the metal

637
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:47,180
on the side of the bed and he's really

638
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:50,960
out of it and with that I'm looking at

639
00:28:55,810 --> 00:28:52,730
him and way off to my right I hear

640
00:28:58,300 --> 00:28:55,820
voices of men coming and they come

641
00:29:00,610 --> 00:28:58,310
around some very high metal shelves

642
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:00,620
they're on the opposite side of this man

643
00:29:06,340 --> 00:29:04,370
and and I realized at that point that

644
00:29:08,590 --> 00:29:06,350
whatever those shelves are I'm on the

645
00:29:11,530 --> 00:29:08,600
same thing on the other side of this man

646
00:29:13,770 --> 00:29:11,540
and I think I know what it is that I'm

647
00:29:16,380 --> 00:29:13,780
on but for now I just call it shelves

648
00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:16,390
it's just really hard for me to go there

649
00:29:22,990 --> 00:29:20,510
and so these guys is four of them and

650
00:29:25,030 --> 00:29:23,000
they appear around the corner and

651
00:29:26,860 --> 00:29:25,040
they're coming in our direction in my

652
00:29:30,490 --> 00:29:26,870
alter very unemotional II knows that

653
00:29:32,530 --> 00:29:30,500
they're coming to finish him off and and

654
00:29:34,750 --> 00:29:32,540
then you know they approach and it goes

655
00:29:36,790 --> 00:29:34,760
blank and then another one of my child

656
00:29:39,670 --> 00:29:36,800
alters just tells me some things about

657
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:39,680
it doesn't show it to me it's like I

658
00:29:45,310 --> 00:29:42,290
have sometimes I have an understanding

659
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:45,320
they won't presented visually but

660
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:47,450
they'll they'll tell me some another

661
00:29:51,060 --> 00:29:49,250
alter will say pick up where it left off

662
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:51,070
to say then this happened

663
00:29:56,350 --> 00:29:53,360
so Alisa I

664
00:29:59,230 --> 00:29:56,360
wondering as you know I've spoken to

665
00:30:01,840 --> 00:29:59,240
quite a few MKULTRA survivors over the

666
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:01,850
past 21 years and a lot of them have

667
00:30:07,870 --> 00:30:04,130
mentioned talked about having

668
00:30:09,460 --> 00:30:07,880
out-of-body experiences now this is is

669
00:30:11,650 --> 00:30:09,470
this something that sort of coincide

670
00:30:14,110 --> 00:30:11,660
with remote viewing or is this just

671
00:30:18,430 --> 00:30:14,120
something that's random can you kind of

672
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:18,440
elaborate on that well first of all when

673
00:30:23,980 --> 00:30:20,960
I began DC programming I realized that I

674
00:30:27,549 --> 00:30:23,990
basically just out of my body eyes

675
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:27,559
I've spent very little time in it

676
00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:30,320
due to the years of programming and then

677
00:30:36,340 --> 00:30:33,919
use and actually learned that getting in

678
00:30:39,130 --> 00:30:36,350
my body was extremely uncomfortable it's

679
00:30:42,159 --> 00:30:39,140
very painful and I've overcome a lot of

680
00:30:47,049 --> 00:30:42,169
that now so you know I think most people

681
00:30:49,299 --> 00:30:47,059
think of out-of-body as no just on a

682
00:30:52,690 --> 00:30:49,309
psychic level an astral plane which it

683
00:30:55,090 --> 00:30:52,700
is but there are states of being that I

684
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:55,100
think a lot of people really don't fully

685
00:30:59,470 --> 00:30:57,679
exist in their bodies so there's varying

686
00:31:01,950 --> 00:30:59,480
degrees in their their very extreme I

687
00:31:04,419 --> 00:31:01,960
mean the low line is you know the mild

688
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:04,429
typical mild dissociation where you're

689
00:31:07,630 --> 00:31:06,320
driving to work you drive every day but

690
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:07,640
you don't remember your trip when you

691
00:31:13,030 --> 00:31:10,010
get there everybody does that that's a

692
00:31:15,820 --> 00:31:13,040
diss form of dissociation but in

693
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:15,830
programming it goes to the extreme and

694
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:19,250
you can basically live on the outskirts

695
00:31:23,740 --> 00:31:21,890
of your body you're not ever really

696
00:31:27,270 --> 00:31:23,750
fully in your body and that's where

697
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:27,280
where I existed there are experiences

698
00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:30,890
where and this might get a little little

699
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:34,270
challenging for the average person but

700
00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:38,210
not only was I used in a very what we

701
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:39,710
would call a three-dimensional physical

702
00:31:45,850 --> 00:31:42,320
use like you know send me to that motel

703
00:31:51,130 --> 00:31:45,860
room and do this job but they also used

704
00:31:53,620 --> 00:31:51,140
me outside of my body meaning you would

705
00:31:55,510 --> 00:31:53,630
be you know pulled out which is really

706
00:31:57,789 --> 00:31:55,520
easy because you're existing on the

707
00:32:03,130 --> 00:31:57,799
outskirts anyway and you would be

708
00:32:05,530 --> 00:32:03,140
utilized in a very very esoteric way not

709
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:05,540
only this is where it gets really weird

710
00:32:09,860 --> 00:32:07,200
for people but not only

711
00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:09,870
this dimension but crossing in and out

712
00:32:14,419 --> 00:32:12,080
of other dimensions and I do have

713
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:14,429
fragmented memories of that same thing

714
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:18,000
where I'm not on this earth at that time

715
00:32:22,430 --> 00:32:20,610
not as we see it there's something else

716
00:32:27,470 --> 00:32:22,440
going on in a completely different place

717
00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:27,480
and in deprogramming even now it's

718
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:28,289
ongoing

719
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:31,679
meaning I'm in charge of it but I'm

720
00:32:38,180 --> 00:32:35,519
still engaging with a variety I call

721
00:32:41,090 --> 00:32:38,190
them windows of other times in places

722
00:32:45,379 --> 00:32:41,100
other timelines and I'm actually even

723
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:45,389
interacting with other beings still they

724
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:48,000
are continually trying to regain access

725
00:32:53,690 --> 00:32:51,450
it's the way I see it regain control so

726
00:32:56,060 --> 00:32:53,700
it's not just a human thing there are

727
00:32:58,720 --> 00:32:56,070
other beings involved in this whole

728
00:33:02,570 --> 00:32:58,730
process and they are cross-dimensional

729
00:33:04,610 --> 00:33:02,580
and then obviously malevolent intent so

730
00:33:06,620 --> 00:33:04,620
I mean I've actually flute I'm talking

731
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:06,630
full consciousness here you know where I

732
00:33:09,500 --> 00:33:08,850
can consciously open a window and I've

733
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:09,510
had beans

734
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:11,850
pop into those windows and I mean look

735
00:33:16,039 --> 00:33:14,399
me write me off and you can feel it you

736
00:33:19,580 --> 00:33:16,049
are interacting with something that's

737
00:33:21,889 --> 00:33:19,590
alive and real just not in this 3

738
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:21,899
dimensional realm man yeah that's what I

739
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:23,490
really wanted to try to understand

740
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:25,289
that's kind of what I meant by weirder

741
00:33:29,810 --> 00:33:28,289
aspects or occult aspects because you

742
00:33:32,330 --> 00:33:29,820
hear these stories that the highest

743
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:32,340
levels of the elite they're abusing

744
00:33:38,090 --> 00:33:35,850
children and people to harness some type

745
00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:38,100
of energy not only just to display power

746
00:33:42,889 --> 00:33:40,529
but also to harness some type of energy

747
00:33:46,850 --> 00:33:42,899
or some demonic force from the abused

748
00:33:49,250 --> 00:33:46,860
and this is like a really foreign area

749
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:49,260
for me it's hard to wrap my head around

750
00:33:52,909 --> 00:33:51,840
but this seems to be kind of like what

751
00:33:55,690 --> 00:33:52,919
you're talking about with different

752
00:33:58,669 --> 00:33:55,700
entities different dimensions are these

753
00:34:02,240 --> 00:33:58,679
experiences with entities and dimensions

754
00:34:04,419 --> 00:34:02,250
were these experiences within or some

755
00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:04,429
type of ritual and a room full of

756
00:34:09,950 --> 00:34:07,049
high-level elite or when did these

757
00:34:13,069 --> 00:34:09,960
things occur well that that's part of it

758
00:34:14,569 --> 00:34:13,079
as well yes and I mean to mean what a

759
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:14,579
lot of people don't understand is I

760
00:34:19,339 --> 00:34:16,770
think a lot of people are set and our

761
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:19,349
experience is that ritual isn't just

762
00:34:22,369 --> 00:34:20,879
used to try

763
00:34:24,769 --> 00:34:22,379
the child's mind through their

764
00:34:28,279 --> 00:34:24,779
programming that's part of it it's very

765
00:34:29,839 --> 00:34:28,289
real it will you know a horrendous and

766
00:34:32,059 --> 00:34:29,849
it's called horriffic ation in many

767
00:34:34,220 --> 00:34:32,069
cases I mean what they're doing is to

768
00:34:37,129 --> 00:34:34,230
horrify and slip the mind but the main

769
00:34:40,129 --> 00:34:37,139
use of this is to connect with these

770
00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:40,139
other malevolent energies entities

771
00:34:46,909 --> 00:34:44,609
beings for power that's what this stuff

772
00:34:52,249 --> 00:34:46,919
is all about really in my opinion and

773
00:34:56,659 --> 00:34:52,259
the you know it's kind of like we go to

774
00:34:59,480 --> 00:34:56,669
war to gain access to a certain region

775
00:35:01,279 --> 00:34:59,490
or zone but the side benefit is they can

776
00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:01,289
make a lot of money doing it it's kind

777
00:35:06,559 --> 00:35:04,079
of its kind of nothing nothing that I

778
00:35:08,420 --> 00:35:06,569
know of that my programmers do is for

779
00:35:11,329 --> 00:35:08,430
one purpose there's always multiple

780
00:35:14,089 --> 00:35:11,339
purposes for everything they do but the

781
00:35:18,049 --> 00:35:14,099
main purpose as far as I can see and my

782
00:35:20,690 --> 00:35:18,059
own personal experience is to the SERP

783
00:35:23,690 --> 00:35:20,700
and maintain control over the entire

784
00:35:27,410 --> 00:35:23,700
human energy field and that goes for

785
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:27,420
everyone not just someone like me and so

786
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:29,970
yes that's that's very real and yes it

787
00:35:35,900 --> 00:35:32,730
can be done and is done extensively in

788
00:35:38,660 --> 00:35:35,910
rituals which when you understand what

789
00:35:43,549 --> 00:35:38,670
the technology is today I mean I was

790
00:35:46,579 --> 00:35:43,559
born in 1962 I know in in the 1980s I

791
00:35:49,390 --> 00:35:46,589
met my own clones or I should say it

792
00:35:53,359 --> 00:35:49,400
became aware of them I met one of them

793
00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:53,369
and I know how many there were I know

794
00:36:00,140 --> 00:35:56,730
how many are left and so the technology

795
00:36:02,269 --> 00:36:00,150
that was in the late eighties that mine

796
00:36:05,809 --> 00:36:02,279
were brought online I don't know when

797
00:36:08,930 --> 00:36:05,819
they were actually designed they weren't

798
00:36:12,319 --> 00:36:08,940
designed at my birth I know that much so

799
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:12,329
here we are in 2013 and the stuff I

800
00:36:19,069 --> 00:36:14,970
would talk about now people would think

801
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:19,079
I'm talking about science fiction oh so

802
00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:21,359
when you understand where it is now and

803
00:36:26,450 --> 00:36:23,730
where that energy we're talking about

804
00:36:29,150 --> 00:36:26,460
actually resides which is very much in

805
00:36:30,170 --> 00:36:29,160
the technology of today our computers

806
00:36:32,660 --> 00:36:30,180
our cell phones

807
00:36:34,650 --> 00:36:32,670
these are access points I mean these

808
00:36:38,610 --> 00:36:34,660
beings are living in an N or

809
00:36:40,650 --> 00:36:38,620
gee that they can travel that kind of

810
00:36:43,590 --> 00:36:40,660
energy they don't have to take the same

811
00:36:45,660 --> 00:36:43,600
form we have to break there are mold in

812
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:45,670
our mind of what we think is possible

813
00:36:50,910 --> 00:36:47,170
and you know what we've been told it's

814
00:36:53,070 --> 00:36:50,920
possible I'm not possible I know this I

815
00:36:56,220 --> 00:36:53,080
mean I know it I know things that I

816
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:56,230
experienced bits and pieces in most of

817
00:36:59,340 --> 00:36:58,000
it the reason I couldn't get out was

818
00:37:00,090 --> 00:36:59,350
because people say well that's not

819
00:37:02,460 --> 00:37:00,100
possible

820
00:37:06,330 --> 00:37:02,470
well it's it's interesting what you're

821
00:37:09,210 --> 00:37:06,340
saying because as you know I used to

822
00:37:13,740 --> 00:37:09,220
work with Fritz spring Myer years ago

823
00:37:18,810 --> 00:37:13,750
and a lot of his information actually is

824
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:18,820
is I think is upfront and incredible

825
00:37:23,550 --> 00:37:20,890
although there are other aspects about

826
00:37:25,110 --> 00:37:23,560
it that's problematic but that's when I

827
00:37:28,380 --> 00:37:25,120
first heard about the whole cloning

828
00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:28,390
thing and you know I realized that there

829
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:32,110
was you know the technology exists to do

830
00:37:38,130 --> 00:37:35,290
it and it's probably been done for years

831
00:37:40,770 --> 00:37:38,140
and the motivation behind it as well so

832
00:37:42,780 --> 00:37:40,780
to me it's not a foreign thing it's not

833
00:37:44,430 --> 00:37:42,790
like something that's way out there but

834
00:37:47,490 --> 00:37:44,440
another thing that I find interesting

835
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:47,500
too is that I remember watching the

836
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:51,130
x-files and there was a couple of

837
00:37:57,720 --> 00:37:53,200
episodes where they had the whole

838
00:37:59,130 --> 00:37:57,730
cloning thing and it was like whoa well

839
00:38:01,800 --> 00:37:59,140
you know when you look at some of those

840
00:38:04,410 --> 00:38:01,810
old x-files now and you know you hear

841
00:38:07,260 --> 00:38:04,420
about some stories like yours and others

842
00:38:09,870 --> 00:38:07,270
it's kind of like Chris Carter he was

843
00:38:11,220 --> 00:38:09,880
onto something you know you just got

844
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:11,230
wonder where he got a lot of that

845
00:38:20,910 --> 00:38:15,130
information from absolutely and you know

846
00:38:23,490 --> 00:38:20,920
the cloning issue you know as with so

847
00:38:26,250 --> 00:38:23,500
many other issues within what I call the

848
00:38:29,940 --> 00:38:26,260
blackest of black projects the DARPA

849
00:38:31,410 --> 00:38:29,950
Xand NRO's and the you know all the the

850
00:38:33,540 --> 00:38:31,420
alphabets that don't get as much

851
00:38:34,980 --> 00:38:33,550
attention you know the before the

852
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:34,990
forerunners are the ones that are in the

853
00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:36,640
public eye like the CIA and now of

854
00:38:41,940 --> 00:38:39,040
course the NSA you can be assured that

855
00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:41,950
if they're catching heat they are they

856
00:38:45,570 --> 00:38:44,110
are in the game big time but if they're

857
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:45,580
catching the public heat that they've

858
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:46,960
been catching for so many years they've

859
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:48,400
already long had these other

860
00:38:52,829 --> 00:38:50,079
seize it you probably don't even know

861
00:38:56,549 --> 00:38:52,839
about and those are the ones running the

862
00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:56,559
blackest of black projects and I really

863
00:39:01,620 --> 00:38:58,210
really believe I've heard many different

864
00:39:03,269 --> 00:39:01,630
versions of how far you know here's our

865
00:39:04,859 --> 00:39:03,279
current tech in other words if you were

866
00:39:07,140 --> 00:39:04,869
this is the way I judge the current Act

867
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:07,150
if you go into say Scientific American

868
00:39:11,309 --> 00:39:09,520
or some technology magazine and you read

869
00:39:14,029 --> 00:39:11,319
articles they tell you what's going to

870
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:14,039
be coming out in X amount of years

871
00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:18,970
that's a gauge of add about fifty to a

872
00:39:24,089 --> 00:39:22,089
hundred years on to what they're talking

873
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:24,099
about is going to happen at fifty to a

874
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:27,490
hundred years in the black projects and

875
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:30,010
that's just that's just in this age

876
00:39:35,730 --> 00:39:32,890
meaning in this point in human history

877
00:39:39,809 --> 00:39:35,740
this is not new this is if you go back

878
00:39:41,819 --> 00:39:39,819
and study various civilizations ancient

879
00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:41,829
civilizations I mean there's actual

880
00:39:47,339 --> 00:39:44,529
physical proof on this earth the things

881
00:39:49,950 --> 00:39:47,349
have been done over and over and to me

882
00:39:52,260 --> 00:39:49,960
what what those beings are attempting is

883
00:39:54,690 --> 00:39:52,270
a very particular ultimate control

884
00:39:57,089 --> 00:39:54,700
that's what this is really all about and

885
00:39:58,920 --> 00:39:57,099
they've come close over and over but

886
00:40:02,240 --> 00:39:58,930
what happens on it's almost like an

887
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:02,250
implosion they can't quite succeed and

888
00:40:07,859 --> 00:40:05,920
you know they take out a region and wipe

889
00:40:09,029 --> 00:40:07,869
that come close to wiping out work you

890
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:09,039
know what they had their hand in

891
00:40:15,329 --> 00:40:11,770
creating but this is done over and over

892
00:40:17,370 --> 00:40:15,339
but in this age go to the highest tech

893
00:40:19,230 --> 00:40:17,380
magazine read what they're talking about

894
00:40:22,380 --> 00:40:19,240
that is coming in the you know

895
00:40:24,750 --> 00:40:22,390
relatively 10 to 15 to 20 year future at

896
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:24,760
fifty to a hundred years to that and

897
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:28,960
that is what actualized actualized not

898
00:40:32,549 --> 00:40:30,730
necessarily being worked on its

899
00:40:35,690 --> 00:40:32,559
actualized in the blackest of black

900
00:40:38,700 --> 00:40:35,700
projects that's where the money goes and

901
00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:38,710
I'm not the only one reporting this it's

902
00:40:42,990 --> 00:40:40,960
really hard because when you come

903
00:40:46,410 --> 00:40:43,000
forward the context of the average

904
00:40:48,180 --> 00:40:46,420
person is so far removed from this you

905
00:40:50,970 --> 00:40:48,190
know as one person said there it's

906
00:40:55,140 --> 00:40:50,980
divorced completely divorced from the

907
00:40:56,670 --> 00:40:55,150
reality of mind control and but there's

908
00:40:58,620 --> 00:40:56,680
other that have come forward some of

909
00:41:00,210 --> 00:40:58,630
some of us you know when we come forward

910
00:41:01,410 --> 00:41:00,220
here's the thing remember a lot of us

911
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:01,420
are still being used

912
00:41:06,690 --> 00:41:03,970
it's you know I have a saying once and

913
00:41:08,670 --> 00:41:06,700
tales are always mkultra and what I mean

914
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:08,680
by that isn't that you can't wake up and

915
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:10,570
take charge of your life but you have to

916
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:13,810
stay constantly rigorously self on us

917
00:41:19,290 --> 00:41:16,210
every day because they have an automatic

918
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:19,300
in and a lot of people can be used you

919
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:21,610
know to do dis inform and I know one

920
00:41:25,590 --> 00:41:23,530
person I won't name that came forward

921
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:25,600
and talked about his phone and then he

922
00:41:30,690 --> 00:41:28,330
recanted and then said it was something

923
00:41:32,580 --> 00:41:30,700
else and this guy is so programmed I

924
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:32,590
mean it's just so obvious but he's in

925
00:41:37,890 --> 00:41:34,570
the public sector and has been now for a

926
00:41:39,930 --> 00:41:37,900
few years so rightly say yeah we've

927
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:39,940
talked about that before a lot there's a

928
00:41:44,460 --> 00:41:42,250
lot of MK ULTRA survivors who are

929
00:41:46,290 --> 00:41:44,470
putting out you know their stories

930
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:46,300
whether it be on the internet or in

931
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:51,760
books and it seems unfortunately a lot

932
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:55,170
of the stories are conflicting or

933
00:42:01,680 --> 00:41:57,850
appears to be have a certain amount of

934
00:42:06,090 --> 00:42:01,690
disinformation or misinformation or even

935
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:06,100
possibly cross-contamination what what's

936
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:08,050
your take on a lot of the survivors that

937
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:10,690
are coming out and telling their stories

938
00:42:17,150 --> 00:42:13,570
well my first first thing I want to say

939
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:17,160
is that I thank them immensely because

940
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:19,930
everybody every story I have read or

941
00:42:24,570 --> 00:42:22,570
seen a video or whatever at this point

942
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:24,580
which I didn't do early on I want to say

943
00:42:28,860 --> 00:42:26,560
I waited a certain amount of time until

944
00:42:31,230 --> 00:42:28,870
a ton of my own information had already

945
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:31,240
come forward but now I find it helpful I

946
00:42:37,470 --> 00:42:34,480
get a lot of corroboration validation

947
00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:37,480
from other stories as I'm sure works for

948
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:39,250
all of us but so I really want to thank

949
00:42:43,020 --> 00:42:40,720
them because it takes a lot of courage

950
00:42:45,090 --> 00:42:43,030
to come forward and tell a story that

951
00:42:49,620 --> 00:42:45,100
makes you sound like you're crazy to the

952
00:42:51,390 --> 00:42:49,630
average person secondly anything that I

953
00:42:53,820 --> 00:42:51,400
would say about you know in general

954
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:53,830
about other people with misinformation

955
00:43:00,570 --> 00:42:56,800
and disinformation also applies to me

956
00:43:03,900 --> 00:43:00,580
meaning we all have to stay rigorously

957
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:03,910
honest and it's really difficult and I

958
00:43:08,670 --> 00:43:06,880
mean if any of us are running at 65 75 %

959
00:43:11,970 --> 00:43:08,680
truth excellence

960
00:43:14,220 --> 00:43:11,980
I mean seriously you know all of this

961
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:14,230
stuff is compartmentalized all of it you

962
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:14,770
know going to be

963
00:43:21,210 --> 00:43:17,170
just based on one person and all their

964
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:21,220
alters experiences and so you know I've

965
00:43:26,010 --> 00:43:23,770
been misled by my own alters I've had

966
00:43:29,130 --> 00:43:26,020
that case happen where I would discover

967
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:29,140
you know months or a year later that who

968
00:43:34,980 --> 00:43:31,570
she really was and that she was coming

969
00:43:37,620 --> 00:43:34,990
up to try to muddy the waters so it's a

970
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:37,630
constant ongoing rigorous honesty and

971
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:40,450
but I think it's important to realize

972
00:43:46,860 --> 00:43:44,160
that I realized this in my own case that

973
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:46,870
even in deprogramming its kind of

974
00:43:50,910 --> 00:43:49,090
planned in other words when you start to

975
00:43:54,810 --> 00:43:50,920
wake up if you survive the process

976
00:43:56,730 --> 00:43:54,820
there's a already preset since like like

977
00:43:58,920 --> 00:43:56,740
the first thing to show up with all

978
00:44:01,770 --> 00:43:58,930
these child alters who flooded my mind

979
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:01,780
with all this information and what they

980
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:04,090
have is incredibly important but at the

981
00:44:08,820 --> 00:44:05,680
same time they were young and they're

982
00:44:10,740 --> 00:44:08,830
extremely emotional and so they yeah you

983
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:10,750
know someone witnessing it would think I

984
00:44:16,650 --> 00:44:14,290
was crazy and then after that you know

985
00:44:19,650 --> 00:44:16,660
well the older alters started to show up

986
00:44:21,780 --> 00:44:19,660
but it's they plan on you not surviving

987
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:21,790
this process so in the beginning you

988
00:44:25,340 --> 00:44:23,530
just look like you're totally flipping

989
00:44:28,500 --> 00:44:25,350
out and having a total mental breakdown

990
00:44:31,070 --> 00:44:28,510
but if time is allowed to occur and you

991
00:44:33,300 --> 00:44:31,080
can stay sane and keep going forward

992
00:44:36,450 --> 00:44:33,310
you'll start to see that it's actually

993
00:44:40,410 --> 00:44:36,460
very informative and it takes a you know

994
00:44:42,510 --> 00:44:40,420
kind of a set schedule as information

995
00:44:45,450 --> 00:44:42,520
starts to appear so it's really

996
00:44:49,890 --> 00:44:45,460
important to me personally that I stay

997
00:44:55,380 --> 00:44:49,900
very vigilant and not present stuff that

998
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:55,390
is false or misleading or you know

999
00:45:00,360 --> 00:44:58,240
whatever and that so that goes for all

1000
00:45:02,130 --> 00:45:00,370
of us you know I won't single myself out

1001
00:45:04,350 --> 00:45:02,140
of that group but I think we all just

1002
00:45:08,430 --> 00:45:04,360
have to and I think a lot of survivors

1003
00:45:09,690 --> 00:45:08,440
know that I've seen you know cases where

1004
00:45:11,250 --> 00:45:09,700
people have come forward and written

1005
00:45:13,140 --> 00:45:11,260
books and then a few years later even

1006
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:13,150
they are making some corrections to

1007
00:45:18,450 --> 00:45:14,650
their own programming and what they

1008
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:18,460
revealed so it applies to all of us to

1009
00:45:23,220 --> 00:45:20,050
just stay really honest and that goes

1010
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:23,230
for the researchers too don't be afraid

1011
00:45:28,989 --> 00:45:27,040
to say it's not what I thought well I

1012
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:28,999
mean it's definitely

1013
00:45:32,319 --> 00:45:30,890
some pretty fringe material it's not

1014
00:45:35,019 --> 00:45:32,329
something you hear in the mainstream but

1015
00:45:36,819 --> 00:45:35,029
I've heard it plenty in the underground

1016
00:45:39,339 --> 00:45:36,829
one thing I was curious about and wanted

1017
00:45:42,089 --> 00:45:39,349
to ask you about your personal story how

1018
00:45:44,769 --> 00:45:42,099
did you break free how were you able to

1019
00:45:46,329 --> 00:45:44,779
to deprogram did you have to escape

1020
00:45:47,799 --> 00:45:46,339
handlers I mean because you would think

1021
00:45:49,929 --> 00:45:47,809
people would want to protect their

1022
00:45:53,499 --> 00:45:49,939
investment so how did you get out of

1023
00:45:56,019 --> 00:45:53,509
their clutches well I'll be really

1024
00:45:57,939 --> 00:45:56,029
really honest and vulnerable here in

1025
00:46:00,640 --> 00:45:57,949
this and you know when someone asked me

1026
00:46:04,749 --> 00:46:00,650
why haven't they killed you my responses

1027
00:46:09,029 --> 00:46:04,759
they are and I'm having a physical and

1028
00:46:11,559 --> 00:46:09,039
mental and spiritual degradation and

1029
00:46:15,819 --> 00:46:11,569
that goes on all the time particularly

1030
00:46:17,499 --> 00:46:15,829
physically I'm in pretty rough shape and

1031
00:46:22,329 --> 00:46:17,509
I never really feel like I know how much

1032
00:46:24,099 --> 00:46:22,339
time I have left I call upon at the

1033
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:24,109
suggestion of one of the men I met in

1034
00:46:30,669 --> 00:46:28,400
2008 I call upon what I call benevolent

1035
00:46:33,370 --> 00:46:30,679
unconditional creative love just that

1036
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:33,380
highest highest completely unconditional

1037
00:46:38,890 --> 00:46:36,170
non-judgmental form of love and it's a

1038
00:46:42,279 --> 00:46:38,900
force that I've gained a conscious

1039
00:46:44,169 --> 00:46:42,289
relationship with and it doesn't it

1040
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:44,179
doesn't keep me from being harmed and

1041
00:46:51,089 --> 00:46:46,640
doesn't make me invincible and in body

1042
00:46:54,279 --> 00:46:51,099
or mind but in spirit it does protect me

1043
00:46:57,370 --> 00:46:54,289
I'm not a religious person I have a lot

1044
00:46:59,559 --> 00:46:57,380
of issues with religion for a variety of

1045
00:47:03,969 --> 00:46:59,569
reasons in my programming and use but

1046
00:47:07,209 --> 00:47:03,979
this force is very real and I don't mean

1047
00:47:08,769 --> 00:47:07,219
to be evasive or non-committed in trying

1048
00:47:10,989 --> 00:47:08,779
to describe it it's just really hard to

1049
00:47:13,179 --> 00:47:10,999
put into words sure sure like like I

1050
00:47:15,370 --> 00:47:13,189
started calling upon it early on and I

1051
00:47:18,189 --> 00:47:15,380
kept doing it and I've actually had very

1052
00:47:20,769 --> 00:47:18,199
physical experiences where it worked

1053
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:20,779
meaning whatever was going on had to

1054
00:47:25,989 --> 00:47:24,079
stop whatever was being projected onto

1055
00:47:27,519 --> 00:47:25,999
me by the smell level and had to

1056
00:47:28,449 --> 00:47:27,529
disappear for that period of time and

1057
00:47:30,729 --> 00:47:28,459
something I have to exercise

1058
00:47:33,459 --> 00:47:30,739
consistently daily and before I go to

1059
00:47:36,489 --> 00:47:33,469
sleep at night again when I wake up in

1060
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:36,499
the morning so I'm not invincible

1061
00:47:42,430 --> 00:47:39,410
I believe that I I will ultimately die

1062
00:47:46,569 --> 00:47:42,440
of the meaning I will lead the body and

1063
00:47:48,700 --> 00:47:46,579
disease awful form and I'm laughing

1064
00:47:51,849 --> 00:47:48,710
because it's just it's just ridiculous

1065
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:51,859
you know but I as far as them you know

1066
00:47:57,490 --> 00:47:53,690
trying to take me out that it didn't

1067
00:48:00,430 --> 00:47:57,500
happen on a couple of occasions and one

1068
00:48:03,220 --> 00:48:00,440
of them I got a really clear message get

1069
00:48:05,319 --> 00:48:03,230
out now and I sorted you know the

1070
00:48:07,660 --> 00:48:05,329
program that was about to take place

1071
00:48:09,910 --> 00:48:07,670
and that's happened more than once and

1072
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:09,920
it was very very sobering I realized

1073
00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:11,690
this was early on and I realized when I

1074
00:48:17,500 --> 00:48:13,609
was up against and yes the physical

1075
00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:17,510
handlers ultimately that became when I

1076
00:48:22,779 --> 00:48:19,730
was strong enough became a spiritual

1077
00:48:24,730 --> 00:48:22,789
issue as well even well over a year into

1078
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:24,740
my DP programming they were still

1079
00:48:28,599 --> 00:48:27,170
showing up I came to the town I'm living

1080
00:48:31,569 --> 00:48:28,609
in right now and there were two of them

1081
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:31,579
waiting for me the first one moved in as

1082
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:34,250
a friend you know within the first two

1083
00:48:39,370 --> 00:48:37,609
weeks and it took me this is how it

1084
00:48:41,049 --> 00:48:39,380
works I mean when your access it took me

1085
00:48:43,420 --> 00:48:41,059
a good year and a half to be strong

1086
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:43,430
enough to see it clearly enough to

1087
00:48:47,470 --> 00:48:45,680
spiritually disconnect so that that

1088
00:48:49,779 --> 00:48:47,480
person couldn't access me anymore and I

1089
00:48:52,329 --> 00:48:49,789
kid you not to two months later he came

1090
00:48:54,099 --> 00:48:52,339
to me and he was leaving town and I

1091
00:48:56,559 --> 00:48:54,109
don't know if the two are related but I

1092
00:49:00,420 --> 00:48:56,569
certainly believe they were he was being

1093
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:00,430
called back to to Maryland back to

1094
00:49:06,069 --> 00:49:03,890
intelligence headquarters but so it's

1095
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:06,079
not like it stops when people you don't

1096
00:49:14,289 --> 00:49:09,200
I don't feel like I get out I feel like

1097
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:14,299
I'm managing my life in a way that I

1098
00:49:21,029 --> 00:49:17,440
can't be used anymore and I'm minimizing

1099
00:49:24,849 --> 00:49:21,039
to the best ability I can be accessing a

1100
00:49:26,829 --> 00:49:24,859
bright mind now I'm of right mind even

1101
00:49:30,039 --> 00:49:26,839
though my body is you know having a lot

1102
00:49:33,220 --> 00:49:30,049
of trouble my mind is mine and but I

1103
00:49:36,220 --> 00:49:33,230
have to stay over vigilance yeah that's

1104
00:49:38,650 --> 00:49:36,230
it sounds pretty exhausting but I mean

1105
00:49:40,510 --> 00:49:38,660
who are these people I mean there's a

1106
00:49:42,190 --> 00:49:40,520
lot of debate about how long we've been

1107
00:49:44,799 --> 00:49:42,200
under the control of the same elite

1108
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:44,809
families who hold you know this esoteric

1109
00:49:49,150 --> 00:49:47,119
and occult knowledge and some suggest

1110
00:49:50,799 --> 00:49:49,160
this type of mind control is not a new

1111
00:49:52,210 --> 00:49:50,809
development that it's like ancient

1112
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:52,220
knowledge it's been used in secret

1113
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:54,079
societies for possibly thousands of

1114
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:54,530
years

1115
00:49:58,300 --> 00:49:56,720
you have any insight into that through

1116
00:50:01,630 --> 00:49:58,310
your interactions with these programmers

1117
00:50:04,450 --> 00:50:01,640
I sure do and when I say the programmers

1118
00:50:07,240 --> 00:50:04,460
I'm talking about those beings you know

1119
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:07,250
the men and women that were part of my

1120
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:09,770
programming controlling and handling you

1121
00:50:15,820 --> 00:50:12,800
and those who hired me out for in

1122
00:50:18,700 --> 00:50:15,830
whatever way our are the human version

1123
00:50:21,340 --> 00:50:18,710
but there is definitely a very truly

1124
00:50:23,500 --> 00:50:21,350
malevolent evil force that takes the

1125
00:50:27,130 --> 00:50:23,510
form of beings that is running this and

1126
00:50:31,900 --> 00:50:27,140
my answer to your question it's eons old

1127
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:31,910
and when you really get to see it it's

1128
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:34,850
actually cyclical this has been going on

1129
00:50:41,290 --> 00:50:38,450
over and over and it looks different in

1130
00:50:43,630 --> 00:50:41,300
each age but it's the same thing at

1131
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:43,640
works and there is an ultimate goal as I

1132
00:50:49,300 --> 00:50:46,400
mentioned in the beginning it is so and

1133
00:50:51,490 --> 00:50:49,310
that is to control the entire human

1134
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:51,500
populace not to kill it not to take it

1135
00:50:57,870 --> 00:50:55,040
out to minimize it but to control all

1136
00:51:01,030 --> 00:50:57,880
forms of energy which is something that

1137
00:51:02,710 --> 00:51:01,040
they really like I don't know if it's

1138
00:51:05,350 --> 00:51:02,720
necessary for them but it's something

1139
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:05,360
they very much enjoy and I believe they

1140
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:07,370
don't as my level once they don't have

1141
00:51:14,730 --> 00:51:10,400
access to on their own and so I believe

1142
00:51:18,570 --> 00:51:14,740
we were usurped or co-opted we are

1143
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:18,580
humans are very benevolent species

1144
00:51:24,510 --> 00:51:21,680
spiritually and what we're looking at

1145
00:51:27,850 --> 00:51:24,520
the way we are is not what we started as

1146
00:51:30,700 --> 00:51:27,860
they co-opted they came in and they made

1147
00:51:34,510 --> 00:51:30,710
some changes even genetically many many

1148
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:34,520
many years ago and in my opinion that's

1149
00:51:41,140 --> 00:51:37,850
what's happening again now we're talking

1150
00:51:43,630 --> 00:51:41,150
five to six figure numbers of years

1151
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:43,640
later they're making a big push right

1152
00:51:48,370 --> 00:51:46,400
now with sound and light technology

1153
00:51:52,330 --> 00:51:48,380
which is what they used back then and

1154
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:52,340
this transhumanism which is the next the

1155
00:51:57,340 --> 00:51:54,530
next move of genetic manipulation which

1156
00:52:00,220 --> 00:51:57,350
is what they used back then and the goal

1157
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:00,230
is oklet complete and utter control and

1158
00:52:05,500 --> 00:52:02,930
the really scary part is are we running

1159
00:52:06,940 --> 00:52:05,510
out of time to say I don't know know but

1160
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:06,950
basically I just wanted to touch upon

1161
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:08,450
something Bree

1162
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:14,400
when I was visiting you about a year and

1163
00:52:20,089 --> 00:52:17,249
a half ago we watched the this

1164
00:52:24,349 --> 00:52:20,099
documentary video documentary on rakers

1165
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:24,359
well and transhumanism so is that what

1166
00:52:31,900 --> 00:52:26,490
you're kind of alluding to in terms of

1167
00:52:34,999 --> 00:52:31,910
this process of how humans are changing

1168
00:52:37,460 --> 00:52:35,009
or combined you know robotics and

1169
00:52:43,279 --> 00:52:37,470
utilizing nanotechnology to create a

1170
00:52:45,049 --> 00:52:43,289
whole different type of entity yes yes

1171
00:52:48,140 --> 00:52:45,059
that's exactly what I'm talking about in

1172
00:52:52,039 --> 00:52:48,150
kurtzweil is the public face and he's

1173
00:52:55,579 --> 00:52:52,049
extremely high-level and a very very

1174
00:52:57,499 --> 00:52:55,589
very dark and dangerous man and but he's

1175
00:53:00,769 --> 00:52:57,509
like everybody else I mean it's not one

1176
00:53:04,700 --> 00:53:00,779
person or just one certain group this is

1177
00:53:06,650 --> 00:53:04,710
a massive global network and and what

1178
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:06,660
they're really pushing for and this is

1179
00:53:11,569 --> 00:53:08,970
the scary part is it's not just for

1180
00:53:13,729 --> 00:53:11,579
people like me anymore this is they want

1181
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:13,739
it for everyone they want it for you and

1182
00:53:18,859 --> 00:53:16,170
your kids and your dog and your cat and

1183
00:53:20,359 --> 00:53:18,869
the plants and the trees and that's what

1184
00:53:23,559 --> 00:53:20,369
the nanotech is about that's what the

1185
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:23,569
chemtrails in part are about it's about

1186
00:53:33,970 --> 00:53:26,640
changing everything from what it is

1187
00:53:35,809 --> 00:53:33,980
naturally into a biotech an organic tech

1188
00:53:38,329 --> 00:53:35,819
it's not going to be the real deal

1189
00:53:42,349 --> 00:53:38,339
anymore and that's what nanotech is

1190
00:53:45,380 --> 00:53:42,359
going to do if we don't stop this and

1191
00:53:48,190 --> 00:53:45,390
it's coming to everybody's home and the

1192
00:53:50,269 --> 00:53:48,200
scary part is that their goal is to

1193
00:53:52,009 --> 00:53:50,279
mind-control everyone but they're not

1194
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:52,019
going to do it like they did with me so

1195
00:53:58,279 --> 00:53:55,440
that it's obvious the method you're just

1196
00:53:59,720 --> 00:53:58,289
going to get up one day and everybody's

1197
00:54:03,680 --> 00:53:59,730
going to be under it no one's gonna know

1198
00:54:05,029 --> 00:54:03,690
it happens and that is the version that

1199
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:05,039
they're working on they have not

1200
00:54:10,339 --> 00:54:08,160
actualized it in a mass scale but

1201
00:54:14,059 --> 00:54:10,349
they're still experimenting there are

1202
00:54:15,799 --> 00:54:14,069
people absolutely not a lot but there

1203
00:54:20,210 --> 00:54:15,809
are people who have literally been

1204
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:20,220
uploaded their mind is now living inside

1205
00:54:24,980 --> 00:54:22,170
AI

1206
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:24,990
this is mostly for the high level

1207
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:28,890
victims and high level distance I know I

1208
00:54:34,940 --> 00:54:31,050
don't want you or me to name the person

1209
00:54:37,700 --> 00:54:34,950
on that I'm thinking of but she went

1210
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:37,710
after someone in the 90s right and right

1211
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:41,010
they decided to I'm absolutely convinced

1212
00:54:45,140 --> 00:54:43,050
that what she's relaying is not in the

1213
00:54:47,450 --> 00:54:45,150
least bit delusional they call my own

1214
00:54:52,460 --> 00:54:47,460
experiences she's trying to relay that

1215
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:52,470
she's living in hell and and it sounds

1216
00:54:57,890 --> 00:54:54,240
crazy it sounds like she lost her mind

1217
00:55:00,140 --> 00:54:57,900
she did but she didn't her mind is

1218
00:55:02,260 --> 00:55:00,150
elsewhere right and then there's there's

1219
00:55:05,420 --> 00:55:02,270
an investigative journalist a writer

1220
00:55:07,970 --> 00:55:05,430
conspiracy writer who personally told me

1221
00:55:11,540 --> 00:55:07,980
the same thing back in when was this I

1222
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:11,550
think it was 2008 he talked about and

1223
00:55:18,290 --> 00:55:15,450
this is before I read the deciphering

1224
00:55:21,020 --> 00:55:18,300
the matrix in the soul catcher a book by

1225
00:55:21,470 --> 00:55:21,030
dr. Robert Duncan he told me what he

1226
00:55:25,490 --> 00:55:21,480
mentioned

1227
00:55:27,050 --> 00:55:25,500
yeah right he told me that he can no

1228
00:55:29,540 --> 00:55:27,060
longer write about mind control he can

1229
00:55:31,970 --> 00:55:29,550
write about political stuff but he said

1230
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:31,980
that he's uploaded now so everything he

1231
00:55:39,410 --> 00:55:36,570
senses is being manipulated recorded so

1232
00:55:42,410 --> 00:55:39,420
basically his his eyes his perception of

1233
00:55:44,900 --> 00:55:42,420
what's going on can be altered just

1234
00:55:48,290 --> 00:55:44,910
drastically but he's sort of like a

1235
00:55:50,330 --> 00:55:48,300
human recording device to wherever he

1236
00:55:53,150 --> 00:55:50,340
goes and and sometimes he'll say things

1237
00:55:54,500 --> 00:55:53,160
that he doesn't really mean but he has

1238
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:54,510
no control over that

1239
00:56:00,080 --> 00:55:57,330
so everything and it was very

1240
00:56:02,780 --> 00:56:00,090
disheartening for him and I know that

1241
00:56:04,850 --> 00:56:02,790
over the past couple of years he's just

1242
00:56:07,790 --> 00:56:04,860
been sort of just wandering about but

1243
00:56:11,180 --> 00:56:07,800
he's trying to get back into you know

1244
00:56:13,010 --> 00:56:11,190
writing again but again he only has so

1245
00:56:17,060 --> 00:56:13,020
much control about what he can put out

1246
00:56:19,310 --> 00:56:17,070
and this individual was my hero back in

1247
00:56:21,530 --> 00:56:19,320
hundies I mean he was the consummate

1248
00:56:24,380 --> 00:56:21,540
conspiracy writer and he was writing

1249
00:56:28,310 --> 00:56:24,390
about mind control and the interesting

1250
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:28,320
thing too is he was exposing the same

1251
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:32,370
person as as the woman you were

1252
00:56:35,780 --> 00:56:34,170
referring to so that's the the

1253
00:56:37,610 --> 00:56:35,790
commonality they have the aurochs

1254
00:56:40,850 --> 00:56:37,620
posing this person and boom all of a

1255
00:56:42,350 --> 00:56:40,860
sudden they get uploaded so they what

1256
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:42,360
they've got gone and by the way

1257
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:43,680
everything you just talked about what

1258
00:56:48,140 --> 00:56:45,810
that guy's told you I also shared in

1259
00:56:49,550 --> 00:56:48,150
2008 when I sat down with these two men

1260
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:49,560
that looked at me so I know how this is

1261
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:52,170
going to sound but everything through my

1262
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:53,970
eyes and ears is being recorded and I

1263
00:56:57,470 --> 00:56:55,890
said I have no idea how they do it they

1264
00:56:59,420 --> 00:56:57,480
looked at each other and said we'll go

1265
00:57:02,210 --> 00:56:59,430
under that assumption they use the word

1266
00:57:05,180 --> 00:57:02,220
shunt at that time that was their

1267
00:57:07,100 --> 00:57:05,190
version of it but now I yes you know you

1268
00:57:10,130 --> 00:57:07,110
know you have access to the patent this

1269
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:10,140
is real technology and I knew it I knew

1270
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:11,490
it was happening and I didn't know how

1271
00:57:16,340 --> 00:57:13,920
to dismantle it I have since spiritually

1272
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:16,350
dismantled it and I'm absolutely certain

1273
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:18,810
that it can you can't facilitate anymore

1274
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:21,920
it's hard to explain that you feel it

1275
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:24,690
but this what this person is talking

1276
00:57:29,930 --> 00:57:27,450
about they can you know for the average

1277
00:57:31,550 --> 00:57:29,940
person you're not going to have to live

1278
00:57:33,470 --> 00:57:31,560
in that hell they're going to create a

1279
00:57:35,060 --> 00:57:33,480
life that won't even you won't even know

1280
00:57:36,740 --> 00:57:35,070
you switched you don't mean you won't

1281
00:57:39,050 --> 00:57:36,750
even know you've been uploaded it'll

1282
00:57:41,780 --> 00:57:39,060
look like you your life it will look

1283
00:57:45,410 --> 00:57:41,790
like a normal so-called life but for

1284
00:57:45,950 --> 00:57:45,420
those who are high level want to get rid

1285
00:57:48,980 --> 00:57:45,960
of them

1286
00:57:50,810 --> 00:57:48,990
don't talk or dissidents or researchers

1287
00:57:54,460 --> 00:57:50,820
who have gone after the wrong person

1288
00:57:57,950 --> 00:57:54,470
they can design in these programs

1289
00:58:01,930 --> 00:57:57,960
basically a hell and they can upload you

1290
00:58:05,450 --> 00:58:01,940
there so that's the punishment version

1291
00:58:07,730 --> 00:58:05,460
crazy stuff I know I mean it sounds it

1292
00:58:09,410 --> 00:58:07,740
sounds crazy until you've been far

1293
00:58:11,540 --> 00:58:09,420
enough in it when you've been in and you

1294
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:11,550
come out you have a piece of the truth

1295
00:58:15,620 --> 00:58:13,410
and remember that anybody who's been in

1296
00:58:19,130 --> 00:58:15,630
it comes out as part of it we all have

1297
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:19,140
part of the truth we don't know has it

1298
00:58:23,330 --> 00:58:21,690
all I mean I do appreciate you sharing

1299
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:23,340
the story a couple of other things I

1300
00:58:28,130 --> 00:58:25,920
wanted to ask you about was you know a

1301
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:28,140
lot of people throw the MKULTRA label

1302
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:29,730
around pretty loosely in the conspiracy

1303
00:58:34,190 --> 00:58:32,160
community but when you look at people

1304
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:34,200
like Sirhan Sirhan or Mark David Chapman

1305
00:58:39,860 --> 00:58:36,960
or even this John Holmes of the dark

1306
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:39,870
night shooting they people claim that

1307
00:58:44,180 --> 00:58:41,760
they're a victim of these things do you

1308
00:58:45,890 --> 00:58:44,190
see some characteristics that are

1309
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:45,900
consistent with what you've experienced

1310
00:58:51,940 --> 00:58:49,010
in them oh my gosh yeah I mean

1311
00:58:54,220 --> 00:58:51,950
me basically they're near everyone

1312
00:58:56,170 --> 00:58:54,230
that's in in in the public now that has

1313
00:58:58,960 --> 00:58:56,180
perpetrated these various acts these are

1314
00:59:00,880 --> 00:58:58,970
all absolutely online controlled and

1315
00:59:02,830 --> 00:59:00,890
when you understand what the technology

1316
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:02,840
is now they don't have to take someone

1317
00:59:05,860 --> 00:59:04,640
from the beginning they're still doing

1318
00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:05,870
that they're always going to do

1319
00:59:09,450 --> 00:59:08,240
trauma-based mind control and they're

1320
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:09,460
going to they're going to always

1321
00:59:13,090 --> 00:59:11,690
genetically work in there and there's

1322
00:59:15,340 --> 00:59:13,100
always going to be groups of higher

1323
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:15,350
level slaves but in a general populace

1324
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:20,000
they can pick anyone any age and come

1325
00:59:25,660 --> 00:59:22,130
after them and they look for very

1326
00:59:27,340 --> 00:59:25,670
particular precursors that is that you

1327
00:59:29,110 --> 00:59:27,350
know signify that this would be a good

1328
00:59:30,790 --> 00:59:29,120
candidate they'll test some out some

1329
00:59:32,290 --> 00:59:30,800
don't work as well so they drop them and

1330
00:59:35,860 --> 00:59:32,300
they move on but when they find the

1331
00:59:37,420 --> 00:59:35,870
right brain map signals it takes my

1332
00:59:40,330 --> 00:59:37,430
understanding if it takes six to eight

1333
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:40,340
months to Mack your brain okay through a

1334
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:42,530
serious and you'll know stuff will be

1335
00:59:47,590 --> 00:59:45,890
happening to you and once they get it

1336
00:59:49,810 --> 00:59:47,600
they can control you and there's a very

1337
00:59:51,790 --> 00:59:49,820
particular frequency that Robert Duncan

1338
00:59:55,870 --> 00:59:51,800
which which Rhonda cement is very

1339
00:59:59,020 --> 00:59:55,880
important books project soul catcher and

1340
01:00:00,820 --> 00:59:59,030
then the matrix deciphered in the matrix

1341
01:00:03,970 --> 01:00:00,830
deciphered you can find online I think

1342
01:00:05,650 --> 01:00:03,980
in PDF for free project soul catcher

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there's a subtitle do you remember the

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01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:10,580
subtitle run no I don't it's project

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01:00:15,010 --> 01:00:13,520
soul catcher subtitle and it's Robert

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01:00:17,710 --> 01:00:15,020
Duncan and you can buy that on Amazon

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01:00:19,300 --> 01:00:17,720
these are two very very important books

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01:00:21,130 --> 01:00:19,310
I'm not saying I agree with absolutely

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01:00:23,950 --> 01:00:21,140
every conclusion that Robert Duncan

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01:00:26,620 --> 01:00:23,960
draws he doesn't go into the spiritual

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01:00:30,430 --> 01:00:26,630
aspect he's very science but it's

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01:00:32,530 --> 01:00:30,440
unprecedented science and of course in

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01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:32,540
his case it's compartmentalized as well

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01:00:37,510 --> 01:00:35,930
so he's revealing what's coming and he

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01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:37,520
doesn't have all the information that

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01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:39,770
some of others of us know that a lot of

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01:00:49,420 --> 01:00:43,210
us has already been actualized and use

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01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:49,430
but very important books so yeah I don't

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01:00:52,930 --> 01:00:50,810
know if I answered your question I kind

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01:00:55,060 --> 01:00:52,940
of forgot about the home just I just

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01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:55,070
wanted to know if people like some of

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01:00:59,650 --> 01:00:57,770
these high-profile assassins yes sirhan

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01:01:01,180 --> 01:00:59,660
sirhan so this John Holmes from The Dark

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01:01:02,470 --> 01:01:01,190
Knight shooting absolutely you saw

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01:01:04,630 --> 01:01:02,480
similarities and

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01:01:06,660 --> 01:01:04,640
their and their situations that did

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01:01:09,609 --> 01:01:06,670
point to them being mind-controlled

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01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:09,619
sometimes for me like in the case you

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01:01:14,710 --> 01:01:11,210
remember the Jared we lost nur and

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01:01:16,270 --> 01:01:14,720
Tucson yes years ago when I saw his

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01:01:18,849 --> 01:01:16,280
picture I knew I didn't even know what

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the story was and and then I got into

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01:01:22,660 --> 01:01:20,390
the story and yeah there were very

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01:01:24,460 --> 01:01:22,670
particular things and it's kind of it's

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01:01:27,099 --> 01:01:24,470
kind of hard to explain because it's

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01:01:28,930 --> 01:01:27,109
that twilight language I don't know if

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01:01:32,109 --> 01:01:28,940
you've heard the term but it's it's not

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01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:32,119
always right so obvious yeah okay yeah

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he had a nine millimeter

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I you know I actually have an altar that

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was programmed that's her gun I mean

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01:01:41,020 --> 01:01:38,810
she's a nine millimeter is the gun she

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01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:41,030
shoots and you see a nine millimeter a

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01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:43,130
lot in a lot of these cases they either

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had one or have access or had one at the

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01:01:49,150 --> 01:01:47,450
house or whatever so there's those real

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01:01:52,180 --> 01:01:49,160
physical things but there's other things

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01:01:54,370 --> 01:01:52,190
there's little things that either barely

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01:01:55,690 --> 01:01:54,380
get mentioned or they get mentioned once

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01:01:58,420 --> 01:01:55,700
and then you never see him again in the

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01:02:00,130 --> 01:01:58,430
articles and what they were doing before

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01:02:02,609 --> 01:02:00,140
they did what they did what they were

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01:02:05,290 --> 01:02:02,619
talking about certain words they said

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01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:05,300
all kinds of things and then you like

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01:02:09,099 --> 01:02:07,250
sir answer and I mean some of the cases

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01:02:11,530 --> 01:02:09,109
are saying you know basically saying

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after the it thrown in jail they're

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telling people about their programming

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01:02:17,460 --> 01:02:15,350
basically they're not really being able

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to describe it and that's how it looks

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01:02:23,890 --> 01:02:20,990
it's once you know what to look for and

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01:02:27,130 --> 01:02:23,900
as far as Aurora and the Black Knight

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01:02:29,349 --> 01:02:27,140
stuff Ron knows this I mean I had

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01:02:31,270 --> 01:02:29,359
already sent my book out and I talked

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01:02:33,730 --> 01:02:31,280
about my Black Knight programming my

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01:02:36,940 --> 01:02:33,740
Batman programming and then then John

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Holmes happened after the fact as a

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01:02:43,060 --> 01:02:39,560
matter of fact I think Alana Freeman

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01:02:44,980 --> 01:02:43,070
went on with Clyde Lewis on ground zero

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and talked about it because she already

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01:02:51,099 --> 01:02:47,600
had to pay for when the event occurred

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01:02:52,660 --> 01:02:51,109
so yeah there's it's very it's happening

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01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:52,670
in this latest one I was driving into

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01:02:57,490 --> 01:02:54,650
the White House and she claimed this

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01:03:00,490 --> 01:02:57,500
woman Miriam Carey claimed that the

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01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:00,500
president was monitoring her there's no

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01:03:05,470 --> 01:03:02,450
doubt in my mind that they hit her with

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01:03:07,420 --> 01:03:05,480
check from afar and sent her in in her

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01:03:09,820 --> 01:03:07,430
car into the fence at the White House

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01:03:13,060 --> 01:03:09,830
yeah that's what the very much that's

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01:03:15,340 --> 01:03:13,070
what it looks like now in the in the non

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01:03:16,300 --> 01:03:15,350
high-level used is just picking people

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01:03:18,670 --> 01:03:16,310
out brain there

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01:03:21,790 --> 01:03:18,680
and you know they're up and running in

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01:03:23,860 --> 01:03:21,800
less than a year for one event and

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01:03:26,530 --> 01:03:23,870
they're all expendable as far as they're

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concerned no another sector where this

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01:03:30,010 --> 01:03:28,340
mind control has talked about a lot is

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in Hollywood I mean with pop stars like

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Britney Spears and Miley Cyrus do you do

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01:03:37,300 --> 01:03:35,720
you see elements in and their

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01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:37,310
personalities when you look at them that

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01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:40,130
make you think that they were also put

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01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:42,050
through this type of abuse and control

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01:03:46,090 --> 01:03:44,810
that you're claiming absolutely and I

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01:03:48,270 --> 01:03:46,100
mean I know there's some stuff out there

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01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:48,280
that actually shows Britney Spears

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01:03:53,260 --> 01:03:50,930
switching alters on an interview

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01:03:55,180 --> 01:03:53,270
I mean it's when you know what to look

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01:03:58,990 --> 01:03:55,190
for it's not always you know it's not

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01:04:00,610 --> 01:03:59,000
always just in your face it's sometimes

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01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:00,620
it can be really subtle especially in

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01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:02,090
there if you're in the public eye but

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01:04:07,630 --> 01:04:03,890
she's you know and then all the mental

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01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:07,640
breakdowns all the symbolism you know

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01:04:11,410 --> 01:04:09,530
you know they're half-naked they look

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01:04:14,740 --> 01:04:11,420
the dress everybody dresses like [\h__\h]

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01:04:17,350 --> 01:04:14,750
and they're all making all the the

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01:04:19,990 --> 01:04:17,360
esoteric symbols and devotions to you

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01:04:22,510 --> 01:04:20,000
know Lucifer and Satan and you know it's

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01:04:24,940 --> 01:04:22,520
not entertainment and and I have a

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01:04:27,910 --> 01:04:24,950
chapter and my book called enter

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01:04:29,950 --> 01:04:27,920
entrainment and the entire music and

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01:04:32,770 --> 01:04:29,960
Hollywood industry is a mind control

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01:04:35,500 --> 01:04:32,780
mechanism and when you understand I mean

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01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:35,510
I was actually programmed to an actor

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01:04:42,610 --> 01:04:38,930
actually cue actors one of them I was

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01:04:45,250 --> 01:04:42,620
programmed to which is part of the Dark

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01:04:48,940 --> 01:04:45,260
Knight stuff to go see every movie aute

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01:04:50,590 --> 01:04:48,950
is kind of like what was it some Elana

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01:04:53,490 --> 01:04:50,600
fits me after I share that with her like

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01:04:56,830 --> 01:04:53,500
Mel Gibson and conspiracy theory yeah

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01:05:00,670 --> 01:04:56,840
you go by a certain book no I was doing

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01:05:02,170 --> 01:05:00,680
that with a movie and the Batman series

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01:05:05,020 --> 01:05:02,180
I would have one and I would

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01:05:08,620 --> 01:05:05,030
compulsively want buy more this was when

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01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:08,630
I was in deprogramming and and then

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01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:10,210
there was another actor that I was

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01:05:16,390 --> 01:05:14,570
actually programmed two years ago for a

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01:05:19,150 --> 01:05:16,400
potential program kill program that

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01:05:20,110 --> 01:05:19,160
never took place and I had no idea you

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01:05:22,540 --> 01:05:20,120
know in deprogramming

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01:05:23,890 --> 01:05:22,550
why was anyone programming this actor

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01:05:25,300 --> 01:05:23,900
why did they want to kill him and it

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01:05:29,260 --> 01:05:25,310
turns out he's been a high-level

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01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:29,270
activist for know several decades and I

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01:05:31,630 --> 01:05:30,170
guess

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01:05:35,470 --> 01:05:31,640
a lot of child trouble for the Bush

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01:05:37,900 --> 01:05:35,480
family as well so so well this has got

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01:05:39,970 --> 01:05:37,910
me thinking about the dark night and and

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01:05:42,220 --> 01:05:39,980
Christian Bale I assume is here who

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01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:42,230
you're talking about but yeah what so it

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01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:46,240
could it be possible to to you know

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01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:49,010
mind-control someone to go and see every

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01:05:53,620 --> 01:05:51,530
Christian Bale movie and then there be

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01:05:56,980 --> 01:05:53,630
some deeper trigger that when you see

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01:05:58,990 --> 01:05:56,990
this particular movie that's when a

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01:06:02,830 --> 01:05:59,000
switch goes off and guns start coming

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01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:02,840
out yes absolutely and that's basically

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01:06:07,270 --> 01:06:04,610
what happened with me and the Christian

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01:06:09,700 --> 01:06:07,280
Bale films like I'm obsessively was

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01:06:11,740 --> 01:06:09,710
buying and watching this it was coming

1493
01:06:13,420 --> 01:06:11,750
out in the theater I was you know I mean

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01:06:15,850 --> 01:06:13,430
I was like calling the theater and

1495
01:06:16,540 --> 01:06:15,860
asking them what day because I had to be

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01:06:20,260 --> 01:06:16,550
there right away

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01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:20,270
and I had started the programming thank

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01:06:26,290 --> 01:06:22,610
goodness I had already met the two guys

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01:06:29,830 --> 01:06:26,300
in April and that summer Batman Begins

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01:06:33,010 --> 01:06:29,840
came out and that was the first one that

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01:06:35,710 --> 01:06:33,020
Christian I think did with the Dark

1502
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:35,720
Knight of the Dark Knight series and I

1503
01:06:39,550 --> 01:06:36,890
think it was valid it may have been one

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01:06:40,780 --> 01:06:39,560
I can't even remember man begins and

1505
01:06:43,060 --> 01:06:40,790
then the Dark Knight and the Dark Knight

1506
01:06:44,500 --> 01:06:43,070
Rises okay it may have been the Dark

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01:06:47,590 --> 01:06:44,510
Knight I think it was the Dark Knight

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01:06:49,900 --> 01:06:47,600
actually the first one and completely

1509
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:49,910
set me off I'm I was driving away from

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01:06:54,820 --> 01:06:51,890
the theater I was on my cell phone with

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01:06:58,180 --> 01:06:54,830
the man that one of the men that I met

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01:06:59,770 --> 01:06:58,190
in April 2008 has stayed with me Bill

1513
01:07:02,470 --> 01:06:59,780
were friends but he just listened to

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01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:02,480
everything for like two years god bless

1515
01:07:06,730 --> 01:07:05,090
his soul I mean I put what they put this

1516
01:07:10,510 --> 01:07:06,740
guy through but I was on the phone and I

1517
01:07:12,610 --> 01:07:10,520
was just screaming the rage you know any

1518
01:07:16,300 --> 01:07:12,620
vaulters that were surfacing that I just

1519
01:07:18,550 --> 01:07:16,310
I had to kill something and you know I

1520
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:18,560
didn't really understand it but luckily

1521
01:07:23,140 --> 01:07:20,810
I had already started the programming

1522
01:07:25,660 --> 01:07:23,150
and was aware enough to know that you

1523
01:07:27,250 --> 01:07:25,670
know just go home and I was you know we

1524
01:07:29,650 --> 01:07:27,260
were on the phone for probably an hour

1525
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:29,660
or q and I was just ranting and pacing

1526
01:07:33,430 --> 01:07:31,370
and screaming and until I calmed down

1527
01:07:35,530 --> 01:07:33,440
and I really didn't understand what's

1528
01:07:37,270 --> 01:07:35,540
happening but I call it was his film and

1529
01:07:38,950 --> 01:07:37,280
you know I was just I get really

1530
01:07:40,690 --> 01:07:38,960
emotional and it's just um and it's just

1531
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:40,700
stuff and this is what's going on and I

1532
01:07:48,279 --> 01:07:43,690
got it and it just real fast paced

1533
01:07:49,569 --> 01:07:48,289
frantic yeah oh I just would say that's

1534
01:07:51,339 --> 01:07:49,579
really interesting because we just

1535
01:07:52,959 --> 01:07:51,349
recently talked about on the show that

1536
01:07:56,859 --> 01:07:52,969
there seems to be a manipulation on the

1537
01:07:59,380 --> 01:07:56,869
actors side as well like Jim Carrey is a

1538
01:08:01,660 --> 01:07:59,390
resonator for the green man or you know

1539
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:01,670
Christian Bale he seems to be in these

1540
01:08:06,249 --> 01:08:04,130
kind of strange movies like of course

1541
01:08:08,589 --> 01:08:06,259
the Dark Knight movies but also American

1542
01:08:10,870 --> 01:08:08,599
Psycho seems to be layered a symbolism

1543
01:08:13,539 --> 01:08:10,880
as well so it's easy like this

1544
01:08:16,059 --> 01:08:13,549
manipulation across the board and you

1545
01:08:18,430 --> 01:08:16,069
know these actors are pawns to create

1546
01:08:20,589 --> 01:08:18,440
this media that resonates these symbols

1547
01:08:23,919 --> 01:08:20,599
just as much as you're activated to be

1548
01:08:26,620 --> 01:08:23,929
triggered by him absolutely both in the

1549
01:08:29,620 --> 01:08:26,630
in the film and the music industry and

1550
01:08:32,530 --> 01:08:29,630
if you eye I brought Christian Bale for

1551
01:08:34,809 --> 01:08:32,540
my programming to him to the two men in

1552
01:08:36,309 --> 01:08:34,819
back in 2008 I don't know when I brought

1553
01:08:39,910 --> 01:08:36,319
it through my work was done for a little

1554
01:08:41,829 --> 01:08:39,920
while and excuse me I brought that

1555
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:41,839
forward and that's why I started looking

1556
01:08:46,450 --> 01:08:43,489
at Christian Bale and I just did a real

1557
01:08:48,599 --> 01:08:46,460
real superficial look at his life and I

1558
01:08:51,910 --> 01:08:48,609
mean there's so many classic symbols of

1559
01:08:55,149 --> 01:08:51,920
you know the esoteric mind-control and

1560
01:08:57,999 --> 01:08:55,159
and now I can't say whether he was

1561
01:09:00,849 --> 01:08:58,009
actually physically present I now know

1562
01:09:02,890 --> 01:09:00,859
that they can put people in my actual

1563
01:09:06,189 --> 01:09:02,900
programming session with my alters and I

1564
01:09:08,829 --> 01:09:06,199
believe it's that person and it looks

1565
01:09:11,140 --> 01:09:08,839
like that person to me and I have a very

1566
01:09:14,050 --> 01:09:11,150
clear clear recollection of that

1567
01:09:15,970 --> 01:09:14,060
programming session with him and there

1568
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:15,980
were actually tables of people on both

1569
01:09:20,620 --> 01:09:18,650
the left and the right these men that I

1570
01:09:22,769 --> 01:09:20,630
call the observers and they were sitting

1571
01:09:25,930 --> 01:09:22,779
silently watching us as if we were

1572
01:09:27,550 --> 01:09:25,940
engaging in real life but my altar

1573
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:27,560
became aware of the corner of my eye

1574
01:09:32,490 --> 01:09:29,810
that these people were these men were

1575
01:09:35,620 --> 01:09:32,500
here and why were they staring at us and

1576
01:09:37,629 --> 01:09:35,630
and of course the person if it was

1577
01:09:39,579 --> 01:09:37,639
Christian Bale I honestly can't tell you

1578
01:09:41,829 --> 01:09:39,589
if it was him or someone that was being

1579
01:09:45,039 --> 01:09:41,839
presented as him it looked like him to

1580
01:09:48,309 --> 01:09:45,049
my altar but he seemed to be completely

1581
01:09:50,019 --> 01:09:48,319
unaware of these people on other either

1582
01:09:52,359 --> 01:09:50,029
side of us

1583
01:09:57,380 --> 01:09:52,369
so I'm suspecting that they put someone

1584
01:10:00,530 --> 01:09:57,390
in playing that role for him but I

1585
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:00,540
no problem believing that Christian Bale

1586
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:02,010
and I do mention this in the book that I

1587
01:10:08,690 --> 01:10:05,130
do believe he is he's programmed and

1588
01:10:10,670 --> 01:10:08,700
there's many many others that and some

1589
01:10:12,710 --> 01:10:10,680
people like myself that have come

1590
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:12,720
forward and written books even talked

1591
01:10:18,380 --> 01:10:16,650
about actors being perpetrators some of

1592
01:10:20,480 --> 01:10:18,390
them are their mind control themselves

1593
01:10:22,610 --> 01:10:20,490
and they use sex slaves and so forth so

1594
01:10:24,650 --> 01:10:22,620
that was something I want I mean we do

1595
01:10:26,180 --> 01:10:24,660
it's about that time we we wrap it up

1596
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:26,190
but I did want to ask you if there were

1597
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:28,890
any lesser talked about people that have

1598
01:10:33,020 --> 01:10:30,810
popped up in media stories or pop

1599
01:10:37,250 --> 01:10:33,030
culture that you think might also show

1600
01:10:39,710 --> 01:10:37,260
signs of being victims well I'm I won't

1601
01:10:43,430 --> 01:10:39,720
be able to really name specifics but I

1602
01:10:45,860 --> 01:10:43,440
can tell you this the industry it works

1603
01:10:47,590 --> 01:10:45,870
like this you want to be you want to be

1604
01:10:51,380 --> 01:10:47,600
in the industry you want to be a star

1605
01:10:54,670 --> 01:10:51,390
it's like any other ritual realm you

1606
01:10:57,500 --> 01:10:54,680
come in and there's compromises and

1607
01:10:59,810 --> 01:10:57,510
things you're going to have to do as you

1608
01:11:02,210 --> 01:10:59,820
start to go up if you want to be popular

1609
01:11:04,220 --> 01:11:02,220
there's things that are demanded of you

1610
01:11:06,650 --> 01:11:04,230
and I'm not talking about just rituals

1611
01:11:10,340 --> 01:11:06,660
although I think a lot of the high level

1612
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:10,350
music industry and film stars have had

1613
01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:11,730
to go through actual rituals I think

1614
01:11:16,250 --> 01:11:14,490
these people actually have altars but

1615
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:16,260
there's things that you will continually

1616
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:18,210
be asked to compromise and what that

1617
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:20,850
does is creates a vulnerability that

1618
01:11:26,810 --> 01:11:24,090
allows the entry and influence of these

1619
01:11:28,190 --> 01:11:26,820
malevolent beings that's how it works

1620
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:28,200
that's why it was done to me

1621
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:30,930
that's why it's done to them is they are

1622
01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:34,650
literally put inside you they become the

1623
01:11:41,660 --> 01:11:37,440
first line handler the physical person

1624
01:11:44,660 --> 01:11:41,670
handler is in addition Wow okay you've

1625
01:11:46,790 --> 01:11:44,670
got these beings running you and it

1626
01:11:49,460 --> 01:11:46,800
happens every time you compromise when

1627
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:49,470
the ego gets in there and you know you

1628
01:11:53,780 --> 01:11:51,210
want to you want to be successful you

1629
01:11:56,900 --> 01:11:53,790
want to be powerful whatever that is

1630
01:12:01,640 --> 01:11:56,910
they're there their way in man it seems

1631
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:01,650
like a slippery slope well ELISA this

1632
01:12:05,900 --> 01:12:04,050
has been a really eye-opening hour for

1633
01:12:08,150 --> 01:12:05,910
sure I hope that people found your story

1634
01:12:09,890 --> 01:12:08,160
as interesting as I did you know I

1635
01:12:11,150 --> 01:12:09,900
really wish you the best of luck in your

1636
01:12:13,550 --> 01:12:11,160
future and you

1637
01:12:15,050 --> 01:12:13,560
every it's sad to hear things about you

1638
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:15,060
know victims you've undergone these

1639
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:16,770
types of abuses so thank you for sharing

1640
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:19,410
I mean do you want to tell people where

1641
01:12:25,100 --> 01:12:20,970
they can get your book sir do you have a

1642
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:25,110
website I have a website a blog site and

1643
01:12:29,690 --> 01:12:27,690
you can click on a link there that will

1644
01:12:32,450 --> 01:12:29,700
take you right to the book at Amazon or

1645
01:12:40,130 --> 01:12:32,460
you can go to amazon.com and my website

1646
01:12:41,750 --> 01:12:40,140
is www.seannal.com but if you want just

1647
01:12:44,630 --> 01:12:41,760
go to Amazon they're both for sale in

1648
01:12:49,550 --> 01:12:44,640
both forms both the print on demand and

1649
01:12:51,380 --> 01:12:49,560
the e-book Wow all right well men thanks

1650
01:12:53,060 --> 01:12:51,390
so much I'm still processing a lot of

1651
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:53,070
what's going on today but I definitely

1652
01:12:56,480 --> 01:12:55,530
appreciate it and again best of luck

1653
01:12:58,970 --> 01:12:56,490
thanks for being here

1654
01:13:01,040 --> 01:12:58,980
thank you Greg appreciate it thank you

1655
01:13:02,050 --> 01:13:01,050
okay it was good talking with you we'll

1656
01:13:07,670 --> 01:13:02,060
talk to you again soon

1657
01:13:10,460 --> 01:13:07,680
great like damn man run interesting

1658
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:10,470
stuff huh very much so yeah like I said

1659
01:13:18,380 --> 01:13:12,690
I've know Neil Issa for a few years and

1660
01:13:21,470 --> 01:13:18,390
there's only probably about four mkultra

1661
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:21,480
survivors that I correspond with on a

1662
01:13:26,480 --> 01:13:23,970
regular basis and that's not to discount

1663
01:13:29,510 --> 01:13:26,490
you know the plethora of other survivors

1664
01:13:33,020 --> 01:13:29,520
but she's very cogent lucid and her

1665
01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:33,030
story is extremely compelling yeah I

1666
01:13:36,770 --> 01:13:34,320
definitely heard some things for the

1667
01:13:38,210 --> 01:13:36,780
first time but you know a lot of it it

1668
01:13:39,770 --> 01:13:38,220
fits the narrative it fits the narrative

1669
01:13:42,740 --> 01:13:39,780
with what other people are talking about

1670
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:42,750
in that realm so I definitely appreciate

1671
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:43,770
you bringing her on that was a great

1672
01:13:47,090 --> 01:13:45,330
suggestion I mean is there anything else

1673
01:13:52,810 --> 01:13:47,100
you got poppin off that you want to tell

1674
01:13:55,670 --> 01:13:52,820
the people about well hopefully the fall

1675
01:13:58,310 --> 01:13:55,680
2013 issue with paranoid magazine will

1676
01:14:00,680 --> 01:13:58,320
be out I would say within a couple of

1677
01:14:02,990 --> 01:14:00,690
weeks we've had some delays because I

1678
01:14:06,830 --> 01:14:03,000
fortunately I'm having a legal battle

1679
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:06,840
with my magazine distributor and so the

1680
01:14:12,980 --> 01:14:10,050
funds just weren't there however people

1681
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:12,990
can go online to purchase the PDF

1682
01:14:20,530 --> 01:14:16,770
version of paranoid magazine and they

1683
01:14:25,010 --> 01:14:20,540
just need to go to WWE rinoa magazine

1684
01:14:29,210 --> 01:14:25,020
calm and then just click on to the store

1685
01:14:30,590 --> 01:14:29,220
there it is yeah man you've been so cool

1686
01:14:34,190 --> 01:14:30,600
and hooking me up with a lot of the

1687
01:14:36,260 --> 01:14:34,200
paranoia issues lately and I mean people

1688
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:36,270
it really is some of the best articles

1689
01:14:41,210 --> 01:14:38,730
in the conspiracy world I love it it

1690
01:14:42,530 --> 01:14:41,220
covers so many broad topics and I've

1691
01:14:44,300 --> 01:14:42,540
been saying to Ronda there should be a

1692
01:14:46,820 --> 01:14:44,310
PDF version because that's just the way

1693
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:46,830
that things are now and as much as I

1694
01:14:51,020 --> 01:14:49,770
love seeing the hard copies people just

1695
01:14:53,270 --> 01:14:51,030
don't do that anymore you know they're

1696
01:14:56,150 --> 01:14:53,280
they're all about those those Kindles

1697
01:14:57,680 --> 01:14:56,160
and those notes and now that you're able

1698
01:15:00,110 --> 01:14:57,690
to get it on there I highly suggest

1699
01:15:01,670 --> 01:15:00,120
people check it out it's it's really

1700
01:15:04,090 --> 01:15:01,680
awesome stuff I love it

1701
01:15:06,050 --> 01:15:04,100
it's where I get most of my conspiracy

1702
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:06,060
information from and it's where I pull a

1703
01:15:09,770 --> 01:15:07,890
lot of guests from so I do appreciate

1704
01:15:13,580 --> 01:15:09,780
getting me squared away with that it's

1705
01:15:17,390 --> 01:15:13,590
awesome right and then actually all the

1706
01:15:20,740 --> 01:15:17,400
previous editions of paranoia will be up

1707
01:15:22,940 --> 01:15:20,750
on the website you know in PDF form and

1708
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:22,950
so I guess that would be a total of

1709
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:25,770
about 57 and they're reasonably priced

1710
01:15:32,810 --> 01:15:29,850
at $3 and so that's going to be a

1711
01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:32,820
gradual process but check out the

1712
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:36,480
website periodically and I think you'll

1713
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:38,970
notice more and more of the issues that

1714
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:41,730
will be online awesome man well hey

1715
01:15:45,710 --> 01:15:43,530
thanks for coming to the pad and thanks

1716
01:15:47,930 --> 01:15:45,720
for bringing ELISA to the table it's

1717
01:15:49,300 --> 01:15:47,940
been a blast hey my pleasure we'll see